‘The Dark Knight Rises’: Grandiose, not grand
July 16, 2012
Anyone who pays attention to such things knows that, in the early 1990s, the Batman comic-book series featured a storyline with a super-villain – actually, steroid-enhanced – named Bane, who broke Batman’s back, turning him into a paraplegic (until he was eventually healed by paranormal means).
None of which will mean anything to the target audience of Christopher Nolan’s “The Dark Knight Rises,” an audience too young to have been born, let alone old enough to read (or willing to read, for that matter), when the Bane storyline first surfaced in print. They want it now – hold the history or context – with a side of Imax, and snap it up.
And so we get “The Dark Knight Rises,” the third Batman film in Nolan’s trilogy and also the weakest. Where “Batman Begins” (2005) had a mythic feel that remade the origin story in an exciting new way (away from the flat-footed cartoonishness of the Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher entries), “The Dark Knight” felt like an overreach – an attempt to tell too many stories in one long movie. But it won over the critics, mostly because of a sizzling performance by Heath Ledger, who died before the movie was released (and who was given a posthumous Oscar).
Now comes “The Dark Knight Rises,” bringing in the Bane character (played, with my condolences, by Tom Hardy) and Catwoman (Anne Hathaway, one of the movie’s few highlights). Nolan gets so caught up in creating an epic adventure that he hammers the “epic” and neglects a crucial component: the adventure.
Which has been my criticism of so many of the comic-book movies of the past decade: too little attention paid to that most necessary of elements – excitement. There is very little about “The Dark Knight Rises” that will make you tense, hold you in suspense or cause your adrenaline to squirt. At times, the action is so massive and thunderously clunky that I might as well have been watching one of the “Transformers” movies.
That’s unfortunate because, somewhere within the mashed-potato mounds of Nolan’s 2:40 behemoth exists a lean, compelling and distinctly dramatic tale of redemption and sacrifice, told in the kind of personal terms that Nolan made work for him in such films as “Memento,” “Inception” (despite its size) and “Batman Begins.” I’m not trashing the entirety of “The Dark Knight Rises” – I’m saying that its potential is such that it ultimately disappoints, thanks to Nolan’s decision to go big, bigger, biggest.
Part of the problem is the storytelling in the script by Nolan, his brother Jonathan and David Goyer. As in “The Dark Knight,” that urge to operate on a grand scale results only in a grandiosity that, ultimately, becomes a bit silly, even nonsensical.
Because, as in the previous “Dark Knight,” you have to buy the notion that the world is full of super-villains whose goal is to destroy for the sake of destroying, under the cover of a half-baked raison d’etre having to do with wiping the slate clean and starting over. That was the story with Ra’s al Ghul (Liam Neeson) in the first Nolan film, but it was brief enough (that film being an origin tale, with less of the story actually devoted to plot, as it were) to be ignored. When it came to the Joker in “The Dark Knight,” well, the guy was crazy (though the whole sequence with the two boats full of people with triggers to blow each other up was a seriously confused time-waster).
It’s even worse in “The Dark Knight Rises,” because Bane, the central villain, announces that, as a disciple of Ra’s al Ghul (Liam Neeson actually pops up at one point), he’s come to Gotham City to finish what Ra’s and the Legion League of Shadows had started: to blow it up with a nuclear device. Period. Then he takes over the city for what seems like tension-draining months.
Oh, there’s more but it’s the yin-yang good/evil gobbledy-gook: about the police being the criminals and the criminals being the only ones who understand the truth about life – the whole Bob Dylan “to live outside the law, you must be honest” riff, taken no further than that. The Gotham City cops, of course, have already been playing that game, chasing Batman as though he were Public Enemy No. 1 when he finally makes an appearance in this film.
The story in a nutshell: It’s eight years after the events of “The Dark Knight.” Batman hasn’t been seen in that time; Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) is a recluse, still nursing a bum leg from his last adventures. Enter Bane to destroy Gotham – and up pops Batman to fight him.
Wayne/Batman is also fighting/flirting with a talented jewel thief, Selina Kyle (Anne Hathaway), who disguises herself in a catsuit to perform her acts of cat burglary. She’s got her own agenda, the only part of the script that actually seems to make dramatic sense. It also makes sense when she teams up with Batman to take on Bane.
But the film’s conclusion – a battle between Bane’s army of criminals and the mass of Gotham’s police officers on the streets of Gotham – should inspire laughter, not awe. Both sides have guns – and they wind up in a massive fistfight in the middle of a street?
The same is true of Batman’s final face-off with Bane: single combat? Hand to hand? Really? Is that all you’ve got, Christopher Nolan? It’s as phony as a pro-wrestling bout and rematch: The first time, the villain exploits the hero’s weakness; the second time, the hero figures out where his opponent is vulnerable and utilizes that knowledge. I mean, honestly – this is the best you can come up with?
Tom Hardy was so impressive as just this sort of fighting machine in last year’s “Warrior,” stripped to the waist, his face a beefy landscape of brutal determination that occasionally cracked to reveal his emotional pain. But here, Hardy is forced to wear a mask (supposedly delivering some sort of pain-killer for Bane’s past injuries, rather than strength-enhancing steroids as in the comic) through which only his eyes are visible. Bane struts around holding his lapels like a caricature of a self-important politician. And his voice – well, it probably is Hardy but who knows, because you never see his lips move. His entire Darth Vader-voiced performance might as well have been delivered in the dubbing studio (and probably was).
There are what seem like dozens of other actors here, including Marion Cotillard as a Bruce Wayne business ally, Morgan Freeman back as Batman’s version of Q and Matthew Modine as a glory-seeking police boss trying to take down Batman. And many more familiar faces – recognizable character actors in unconscionably small roles: Aidan Gillen, Nestor Carbonell, Daniel Sunjata, Tom Conti, Ben Mendelsohn, Brett Cullen, Reggie Lee. Apparently, the chance to have your name associated with what will undoubtedly be one of the year’s biggest box-office hits is irresistible. It probably pays pretty well, too; who cares if you’re playing what amounts to a walk-on?
As I said, there are things to admire and enjoy about “The Dark Knight,” but they ultimately get swept aside by the film’s pretentious ambitions. The human scenes – between Bale and Hathaway; Bruce Wayne and Michael Caine’s Alfred; or between Gary Oldman’s Commissioner Gordon and Joseph Gordon Levitt as a young cop who becomes his protégé – demonstrate what this movie could have been, if Nolan had made it as a drama instead of a dirigible. But hot air rules.
There’s already Internet and even wire-service chatter about “The Dark Knight Rises” as the first comic-book movie to be a true Oscar contender. This comes in the wake of the ridiculous outcry when “The Dark Knight” was snubbed for the major awards (with the exception of Ledger) in 2008.
Premature? Hell, I’d say that anyone forecasting serious Oscar love for this lumpish, tedious film has been smoking too much of that potent, prescription California weed. “The Dark Knight Rises” rarely gets off the ground. It’s certainly not Oscar material.
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July 16th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Well, it seems like 95% of other critics disagree. Always gonna be haters.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
You sir are a fool, what a terrible review.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
You are the one who is lumpish and tedious!
July 16th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
“movies for smart people”
what a pompous ass…
July 16th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
And MIB III which you gave a good review too was a well though out movie??
July 16th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Predictable, contrarian opinion from you, Marshall. You disliked The Dark Knight as well, which immediately invalidates this review.
You claim this film is pretentious, but you are the one who comes across as a self-aggrandizing know-nothing.
Farts to you, sir.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Wanting to sound different, eh?
July 16th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
mmm why do you have spoilers there? we don’t want your spoilers. and whats wrong with guns in the street and hand to hand combat? whats your smart alternative? hehe
July 16th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
This is a less a review and more a personal attack towards people you disagree with.
Why are people like this allowed to write articles?
July 16th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I respect your opinion and have agreed with you more often than not, but the fact that you rated the Dark Knight poorly in 2008 completely washes away this pretentious review. I suppose it is smart of you to post a negative review as you knew it would draw thousands of fanboys that will surely come knocking at your door. You are entitled to dislike it, but I guarantee you, there will be Oscar love, and your review will look even more sheepish. Then again, maybe I am taking this review too seriously for someone who gave positive reviews for In Time, Rock of Ages, and the Dictator.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
So he doesn’t like it, who cares? There’s no need to crucify him. There were valid points in there and he simply gave his opinion.
There are plenty of positive reviews out there with glowing praise. Follow those.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Your review is chock full of grammar errors. Considering it’s the first negative TDKR review out of the Rotten Tomatoes gate, you might want to fix them before people find out you are not as “smart” as your website posits.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
You should be ashamed of yourself- an opinion that The Dark Knight Rises is compared to Transformers?
I hope you lose your job over this poorly written review. You wrote this in the first place so that someone would actually come and take a look at your website.
You and Armond White probably are best friends.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
I’ve not seen the film, but the review looks solid, you have to let him defend his opinion, he did not a bad job.
Good review.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
So wait the target audience is illiterate 15 year olds? Please get off your high horse, you act like you are to good to be watching this “trash”. As a 30 year old man who grew up reading many books and comics I take offense to such a comment. Comic books have become our modern mythology whether you like it or not. There is no difference between the adventures of Batman then Hercules or Ulysses. Characters grow and lessons are learn not by just the hero but the reader as well. To act like comics are a inferior art form is ridiculous and shows how out of touch you are.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Congrats. Do you feel special now?
July 16th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
You should do something other than reviewing movies..anything..absolutely anything…but not reviewing movies!!
when you are not good at something, you shouldn’t do it!!
July 16th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Honestly, you’re a real asshole. “Lumpish and tedious” – you know that isn’t true. Troll likes to troll. Way to take down the RT score for this film AND ruin your credibility for anything in the future. Your type disgusts me. Few people in Hollywood work as hard and do the kind of great work Christopher Nolan does. You should encourage that, celebrate it, and admit that you may not have liked the film, but it certainly is worthy of its audience and it’s going to earn it’s place in film history. But no – it’s more fun to take a shit on something people have worked hard to create, isn’t it? Congratulations. Hope you enjoy a life of lonely, bitter existence.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Well, Mr. Fine, as per usual, you never fail in steering me in the right direction.
If you weren’t very fond of it, it must truly be a masterpiece.
I really do enjoy reading your reviews and recommendations…
…and then doing the exact opposite.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I stopped reading after “Legion of Shadows”. It’s “League” – you should probably stick to watching Transformers.
July 16th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I think you are brave. I mean dissing The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises and praising Men In Black III. Wao…
July 16th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
I seriously hate you! i know everyone is entitled to there own opinion but yours actually matters because your a critic. How in the hell you are actually qualified as one i don’t know but how dare give such a brainless review. Your sir are an idiot and a fool.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
I love how fanboys take bad reviews so personally.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
This review is awful and I feel that you’re just trying to draw attention to yourself by posting such a negative piece of work directed at all the batman Nolan films. Hope you get the attention (negative) that you’re looking for with this garbage.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
If you have an issue with the believability of meglomaniacal villains and spectacle over dramatic substance, perhaps you shouldn’t watch superhero movies. Of course “The Dark Knight Rises” silly and nonsensical. I mean, come on: the main character is a millionare who dresses as a bat. Do you want another ponderous, weighty melodrama without spectacle like “Unbreakable”? Speaking of the comics, you must have different criteria for judging comic books, because I own every issue of Knightfall, and it was poorly written and overly complicated in its own right. What context or history would you have kept from a sprawling, 50 issue epic that included every villain from the Batman Universe? A direct adaptation would have been disastrous, and Nolan’s adaptation is heads and tails above its source material in terms of theme and motif. I charge you to write a better screenplay based on “Knightfall” and “No Man’s Land” and post it for review and we’ll see if you do any better. In the meantime, you would do well to put as much time into critiqing movies as the artists do in making them. As it stands, you sound a little too much like Armond White.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Your punishment must be more severe.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
This guy is a moron who has given a negative to attra t traffic to his site. You gave avengers and MIB 3 a positive although they were more like transformers unlike TDK or TDKR both of which he gave a negative. Put you face in the shit of nolan.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I do enjoy the fact that within your second paragraph you openly insult the audience of the film (and, with this being a blog site, the audience you are writing too). With no indication of why you say this considering you at least seem to like the previous two films.
Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame I supposed. Was it worth your credibility?
July 16th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I think that there’s always that one critic that has a problem seeing movies on Rottentomatoes at 100%, therefore, comes up with a reason to disagree. These critics must be blocked!
July 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
It’s clear that this review stems from the author’s idea of what he would have wanted to see: an emotionally charged drama. What he forgets is that this is a comic book movie, an action film. The mere fact alone that Nolan is still able to bring that emotionally charged drama (well, not according to Fine, anyway) and balance it to a perfect and satisfying degree is what Fine fails to understand as the true achievement. Fine was clearly looking for a King’s Speech, a Brokeback Mountain, and not a Batman film.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
“Movies for smart people”
Could you be more pompous you troll? You like MIB3 and The Lucky One, but you crap on arguably the most successful combination of box office success and critical acclaim of the past 5 years. Troll harder, you contrarian douche.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
You, sir, are a piece of shit. I really do hope you don’t consider yourself a valid and relevant critic
July 16th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Unfortunately, your troll attempt failed. You’re entitled to not enjoy the movie, but since you’re getting paid for this (or hope to), you owe a more coherent arguement. Please site comparisons to MIB3.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
This is the critic rottentomatoes deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we’ll flame him. Because he can take it.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
“None of which will mean anything to the target audience of Christopher Nolan’s ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ an audience too young to have been born, let alone old enough to read (or willing to read, for that matter), when the Bane storyline first surfaced in print.”
I find it upsetting that you feel the need to insult the intelligence of your imagined demographic for this movie (which certainly does account for me, being a person who read it when it first came out).
If you genuinely didn’t like the movie, that’s fine, but why disrespect those that will watch it, and enjoy it precisely because they remember this arc from their youths?
I can’t contest what you have written, as I haven’t seen it yet, but this line in particular, together with the fact that yours sticks out as the first negative review amongst many many positive ones, just make me think you have done this to get a … ahem … rise.
And that you have.
Additionally and looking at the movies you have endorsed, I am delighted you didn’t like this movie.
Its a ringing endorsement.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
what a pathetic review, this is the very example of a review made by a hater instead of a review made by a professional critic.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
It’s a disgusting and shameful way of earning some fame, if it was so. You did succeed to some extent though.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Nice mustache. A lot of people don;t know pseudo-intelligence is grown from fancy facial hair. Now go tickle a little boys asshole with it, you pedophile-looking douchebag.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
This guy wrote a positive review for “Rock of Ages” so his opinion is irrelevant.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Don’t know if he came in to the cinema expecting to see the sequel to The Artist or something. Ultimately, TDKR is based on a comic book hero, of course it’s going to be laced with action, that’s the point? It’s an ACTION film. Considering he’s the guy that proclaims he writes film reviews for “smart people”, he’s pretty stupid.
His “review”, if you can even call it that, is also hypocritical since he gave a positive review for The Avengers. Isn’t that just full-blown action from start to finish? Not only that, he goes on to suggest the people who watch TDKR are unintelligent and/or unable to read. Utterly pathetic and pretty childish really.
But the final nail in the coffin was when he compared this to Transformers. Hahah; I’ve heard it all. Terrible review, God knows how anybody can possibly hire you to write reviews. My shoelace could write a better review than this.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
It’s obvious you didn’t want to like it before you even saw it.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
You have every right to write a negative review and maybe you are indeed correct with your criticism. But I would forbid you to write another because you were handing major SPOILERS left and right!!! The movie is not even in the theaters!!! Did you even consider that possibility that you’ll ruin the movie for some by writing in detail about a NUCLEAR bomb!!! How the final showdown between Bane and Batman plays out??? You should be ashamed of yourself!!!
July 16th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
You should go play in traffic. “Movies for smart people” You snobby prick.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
See bud, everyone knows that you wrote a negative review just to get hits on your site, mmkay? So let’s not pretend you’re a serious reviewer or anything.
Now, your main point was that a blockbuster film needs to have less action and more weeping… That argument is so ridiculously ignorant, it collapses on itself before you can say “contrarian cunt”.
Enjoy the hits you’ll be getting over the next few days. Because YOU yourself KNOW in your heart what a shitty little move this was just to get 15 minutes of pseudo-fame. You know that your opinion now means nothing in the grand-scale of things. Not to anybody, not even to yourself.
July 16th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
What an idiotic, badly written review. This guy is a joke.
July 16th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
No wonder you’re not a top critic.
July 16th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I love BB and you’re opinion of TDKR is the way I felt about TDK. I’m still going to see it but I was afraid of the awful writing being carried over from TDK. Ppl don’t actually like TDK, they LOVE The Joker and sat there in theatres like giddy little insects holding hands waiting for him to appear on screen. It’s amazing what hype can do to a persons brain.
July 16th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I appreciate your honest review. These movies feature military-industrialist puppets masquerading as heroes, fighting other military-industrialist puppets.
What is the point of hand-to-hand combat on the streets when these guys are flying around in military helicopters? It’s a fair question that the filmmakers can’t be bothered with, and the loyal army of hypersensitive fan-boys can’t tolerate. This is religion for some people – they worship batman, they worship spiderman, they worship these things. It’s not a movie; it’s a church.
July 16th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I want to follow-up by agreeing that “The Dark Knight” was a borderline terrible movie, with stunning action pieces and one immensely strange and sneakily powerful performance, by Heath Ledger. But, if this Batman is grounded in ‘reality,’ then why is he still fighting what are essentially the 40s style thug-mafia ‘villains’ that were the standard go-to enemy in the 40s and 50s comic books?
I mean, isn’t the world populate by more interesting and threatening criminals – most of whom work in industry – like “Bruce Wayne” and “Tony Stark,” or in upper reaches of government?
What is this need to create new cardboard enemies just to have them smashed and forgotten?
It’s such a shallow mythology – it doesn’t serve anyone, except, frankly, the powers-that-be, who want kids to be turned on by military hardware.
July 16th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I just love the comments on this one.
“Whawwww! He doesn’t agree with me! That means he sucks and doesn’t know what he’s talking about! Shoot him!”
God forbid there’s somebody out that that genuinely didn’t like the movie.
July 16th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I enjoyed the Dark Knight and I’m looking forward to the Dark Knight Rises but I still have to laugh at just how overwrought some of you people are getting over one negative review.
Seriously, the guy’s not Jerry Sandusky. He’s just a film critic with an opinion about a film that most of you outraged people haven’t even seen yet.
July 16th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
This is a disgrace, a simple ploy to get website hits. This is a black hole for internet journalism.
July 16th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Jesus, I cannot believe all you Jokers who are attacking this guy over the negative review. I was one of the few who felt that the The Dark Knight was way jumbled mess of pretentious crap and also will be brave enough to admit that I felt that Heath’s performance was over rated ( yeah go ahead crucify me). However I never attacked people who appreciated the movie as immature idiots, they enjoyed the movie good for them. Same goes for this guy, He did not like the movie, his choice, he found the action sequences silly, again HIS CHOICE.
Just because you guys want to see 100 % for a movie on rotten-tomatoes ( god alone knows why people are obsessed over that 100 % figure ) does not mean a critic has go ahead and change his opinion on a movie.
You guys remind me of the religious nuts over the middle east and a few here in America who cannot digest any one rubbishing their gospel or not appreciating their god ( in this case Nolan).
July 16th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
It’s laughable how transparent this review is. What. A. Troll.
July 16th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
I can’t take this man seriously. He enjoyed Rock of Ages. Therefore his opinion is not valid. Goodbye.
July 16th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Your Dark Knight review alone was laughable. And you’re comparing this to a Transformers film? On what level? Wow. I guess anybody can be a critic.
July 16th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Marshall,
Judging from your website’s “tagline” (Movies For Smart People), it’s fairly clear you suffer from delusions of intellectual superiority.
Unfortunately, I have some bad news for you: You aren’t as smart as you think. And being a contrarian douche doesn’t signify intelligence. It signifies that you were more than likely made fun of to a hilarious degree as a sad, introverted, friendless loner in your youth. And now as an adult, you feel some sort of “empowerment” through your shitty reviews, praising poor movies and jumping all over good ones, as if to say, “Look at me now! I’m a big grown up and I stand defiantly by my forced, fake opinion in my psuedo-review!”
Nobody’s impressed. We all still think you are a loser, especially judging from your pencil-thin mustache in the picture above. But keep telling yourself you are smarter than the people who read your condescending, pointless drivel. Maybe it will help you delude yourself for just a while longer.
July 16th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Marshall Fine I’m going to send in a complaint to Rotten Tomatoes to withdraw your Rotten Tomato from this review. I think we can honestly push Rotten Tomatoes to withdraw your review. Sorry for my okeyish english – it’s not my first language. I’ll try my best explain why I lost all credibility in you after reading this review.
And I’m sure someone can start a petition on why your rotten tomato should be withdrawn 😉 Compare your tone and structure to your other reviews say Marvels “The Avengers” how low quality this piece is compared to his other great reviews that I enjoyed very much in the past and respected his opinion (still do)
Here are my reasons why your rotten tomato should be withdrawn.
1) Starting off by saying nice things.
In your Avengers review:
Here’s the best thing I can say about “The Avengers”…..
Thankfully, there are other nice things to say about “The Avengers,”……
The Dark Knight Rises:
“Anyone who pays attention to such things knows that, in the early 1990s, the Batman comic-book series featured a storyline with a super-villain – actually, steroid-enhanced – named Bane, who broke Batman’s back, turning him into a paraplegic (until he was eventually healed by paranormal means) In other words: You start with a negative statement that “someone” didn’t read their comics and we as viewers/directors choice and direction is stupid because it does not follow comic books stories did that break your heart or that this trilogy isn’t grounded that much in the comics but you knew that right?
2) Respect normal moviegoers and fans by telling them what the movie offers. This piece lacks a bit of respect:
“An audience too young to have been born, let alone old enough to read (or willing to read, for that matter), when the Bane storyline first surfaced in print.” Did he just insult the normal moviegoers and batman comic fans as being dumb? Less smart than he is… Yet you seem to respect the normal moviegoers and fans in the “The Avengers” review.
3) Acknowledge the director, what the director tries to achieve.
In your review you gives praise and thanks to writer-director Joss Whedon but he couldn’t find much praise for Christopher Nolan or his past big megahit in the series “The Dark Knight” that he so called it won over the critics mostly because of a sizzling performance by Heath Ledger, who died before the movie was released and NOT because uuhhmmm…. shalll we say of what it offered normal moviegoers and fans thus the 1 billion dollars in ticket sales.
Think about it. What does this movie offer to normal moviegoers and fans – just as you described the Marvels Avengers did but not the DKR? Did it not offer the action is that what you are saying? Or did he fail to understand what it offers? Interesting choice of words I’ve never seen anyone review Christopher Nolan’s batman films as adventures.
4) Adventure and Christopher Nolan’s Batman series in the same sentence?
You understood Whedon’s vision for the avengers but you don’t seem to understand the direction Nolan is taking in this trilogy, the tone, the scale? You stress often that this film urges to operate on a grand scale results only in a grandiosity that, ultimately, becomes a bit silly, even nonsensical. Didn’t Whedon shove the alien invasion in your face on a grand scale results only in a grandiosity that, ultimately, becomes a bit silly, even nonsensical? Or did he not? Wasn’t a bit childish with no depth in the alien invasion story what so ever? I’m just saying having a story grounded in more realism and social nuances is a lot harder to pull off don’t you think?According to Marshall Fine there’s no wow and no cred to the Nolan brothers here. I guess you were completely satisfied with the one dimension Avengers that pitted super-hero against super-hero. You always know that the super-hero will defeat the villain. But when it’s hero vs. hero, well, like you put it anything goes. With no social references to our society and philosophical depth.
You say the movie lacks crucial component: the adventure
I would love for you to explain to me how “Batman begins” and “The Dark Knight” are adventure films? I’m pretty sure you knew that before you went into the cinemas from the epic words you collected from the trailers and the former Nolan batman films you didn’t enjoy. Look I’m not trying to be mean or anything I’m just saying there’s a possibility that this movie is not for you to start with and consider retracting your rotten tomato. I’m just saying…
Summary:
I can go on and on… But I’m pretty sure you knew that before you went into the cinemas from the “epic” words you collected from the trailers and the former Nolan batman films you didn’t enjoy and that this “adventure” isn’t for you. Look I’m not trying to be mean or anything I’m just saying there’s a possibility that this movie is not for you to start with and consider retracting your rotten tomato. I’m just saying…
July 16th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
You compare this to the Transformers movies? Really? …….Really??
July 16th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
This guy went into the theater knowing he was going to give it a rotten review. Such a douchebag.
July 16th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Lel, people hating on a review of a movie that hasn’t even come out yet.
July 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
I hope your website crashes again..you sir are a douche
July 16th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Why did you have to reveal the plot? I was trying to go see the movie fresh now I know Bane is one of Ras Al Ghul’s disciples. Atleast I stopped reading there so you wouldnt spoil anymore of the movie. If you don’t like it that’s fine but just don’t spoil it for the people who want to go see it.
July 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Are you writing this from Arkham?
July 17th, 2012 at 3:22 am
I can’t believe the people who have not seen this film are so quick to attack a reviewer, it is his opinion whether or not he enjoys this movie.
If you love it write about it on your blog, this review is simply a personal review.
I look forward to seeing this movie and judging for myself.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:23 am
Why are so many people SO invested in a movie they haven’t seen yet? It’s idiocy and sheer small-mindedness to be this devoted to a stupid movie franchise. It’s like the Church of Christopher Nolan or something. No dissent! Follow blindly without thinking about anything for yourself!
And it’s completely unfair to attack this reviewer and say such hurtful things over a movie that you have not actually seen yet. Keep your ignorant opinions to yourself, and maybe think about devoting all your energy and interest to something more substantial than a comic book movie.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:45 am
I enjoyed your review. I am one of the few who don’t care for Nolan’s recent work, and especially the first 2 Batman movies. Essentially, Nolan makes set pieces, not stories. His movies have no plot. They’re just one scene after another of storyless action and talking that never really goes anywhere. I wish I was on the bandwagon with the other fans, but alas, it is not to be.
July 17th, 2012 at 3:46 am
You sir are a textbook snob. The fact that you saw the most antispated movie of my lifetime before me then had the balls to say you didn’t like it?! Seriously take easy up on your fancy french wine and Terrence Malick hard on. Get over yourself, i am sure you have no friends. Christopher Nolan is the greatest director of the past decade and i am 99.999999% sure I will disagree with your review after I see it.
Also, your slogan is “movies for smart people.” You are basically saying anybody who disagrees with you is dumb. You sound like a smug french person who would wave a white flag in the face of danger. As an american I am offended that you reside in my country. Go back to france! Even though your probably not even from there…
P.S.
You look like a d-bag in all of your pictures.
July 17th, 2012 at 4:34 am
You sir, are the living representation of a fart.
Keep writing horrible reviews my friend. Keep chugging.
-your admirer (oh wait you suck never mind),
Derek
July 17th, 2012 at 5:04 am
Guys,Guys this prick only wants attention (same goes to Armond White and Faraci) so the best thing to do is not giving a fuck ,they only want their 15 minutes of fame
Srry about my bad english
July 17th, 2012 at 6:02 am
You gave MIB 3 a good review? Really? I better not see out in the streets. Your punishment will be most severe.
July 17th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Opportunist
July 17th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Fine, it must be gratifying to be the only critic that really “gets it”, the one that truly understands comics, film, art in general. Of course, anyone who likes this film MUST be illiterate. Of course, everyone associated with the film MUST be doing it to pay the bills. Bravo, sir. You, too, understand that Hardy MUST have done most of his dialogue in ADR, even though the filmmakers say most of it was accomplished on set.
Jonathan Rosenbaum – an actually informed and well-read critic – once noted that New York critics try to assure readers “that their ignorance about certain matters is an “educated” ignorance, even if it isn’t”. That sentiment seems apt for your review here, as you don’t mind if you get facts are wrong just as long as they seem “educated”. Go on, sir, keep fighting the good fight to seem clever without ever actually being it.
July 17th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Great review!
July 17th, 2012 at 10:52 am
He’s right about one thing, it isn’t Oscar bait. That said, the movie was EPIC!!!!
July 17th, 2012 at 11:32 am
A great review.I can’t understand how everybody seem to dislike him so much,his arguments are good,it’s not like he is shitting on the movie, he explain what he don’t like about it. I think the dark night was a good movie, but a bit overhyped. Therefore I think this review is more valid than most other . The dark night rises will be a great movie, but not fantastic. And probably not any oscar material.
July 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I have not seen the film and I am going to wait after everybody will have run to the theaters. By the way it seems a good review with valid points. It does not seem as a hater to me.
July 17th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
That’s fine if you didn’t like The Dark Knight, that’s your opinion. When you say that the boat scene in The Dark is a seriously confused time waster, well then you missed the entire point of the scene and movie. You should watch it again without the mindset of hating the movie.
July 17th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
The replies to this review here are hilarious. Childish tantrums. *waaaah* Mean Marshall Fine didn’t like the movie I worship so HE’s the bad guy. Alan calls Jonathan Rosenbaum “an actually informed and well-read critic” only because Alan agrees with his reviews.
Poor wittle fanboy babies.
Heaven forbid someone writes a critical review of a film and director you LOVE! Poor darlings.
You can’t handle anyone disagreeing with you tastes. It’s the Church of Nolan symptom: EVERYONE MUST WORSHIP HIS BATMAN MOVIES — IF THEY DON’T, THEY’RE JUST JEALOUS HATERS WHO SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO WRITE REVIEWS AT ALL!
Grow the hell up. At least engage with Fine’s points-none of you tantrum-throwers even attempt to do that. You just hate on Fine. Guess he hit a nerve. HOW DARE ANYONE CRITICIZE CHRIS NOLAN AND HIS BATMAN FILM!! *gasp*
This review is far kinder to Nolan’s Batman films than I am. Just a bunch of boring, incomprehensible set pieces filled with predictable explosions and other mindless action interrupted by shallow dialogue between cold, soulless, forgettable characters.
It’s baffling how these films have become the object of worship. So lots of other critics and many people love these films. Lots of critics and people around the world love a lot of things-like the Sound of Music. I doubt any of you precious little fanboys love the Sound of Music.
The person who replied with this says it all: “I am one of the few who don’t care for Nolan’s recent work, and especially the first 2 Batman movies. Essentially, Nolan makes set pieces, not stories. His movies have no plot. They’re just one scene after another of storyless action and talking that never really goes anywhere.”
July 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
I came here to read your review, Mr. Fine after I read your interview on Indiewire.com. First of all, let me make it clear to everyone here that no one has the right or should threat anyone. Mr. Fine is entitled to his opinion just like I am, you are and everyone else. Now I see, where Mr. Fine has crossed the line here. The fans are waiting for this film for years, we know that Mr. Nolan is one of those rare film-makers or I should say “artist” who presents his audience extraordinary films. Mr. Fine, just like yourself, I’m also entitled to my opinion.Your review is not about the film, it’s a gesture of hate against the film-maker, which is quite clear by your words. There are far more worst films out there, Mr. Fine. I like to read your review on films like ‘Transformers’ or films with “stuff” that makes no sense. Mr. Fine, I was expecting you to tell us all, whether you liked or disliked the film, something about the storyline of the film. Its impact on today’s world. How much of the story is connected with the world we live in today. Yet, your focus was on a battle sequence in the film; guns and fist fights. That’s childish as far as I see, Mr. Fine. I am against bullying, and against threatening, but I see why you received such comments. I can safely say that his is going to be first and last visit here on this site. There is no need to for anyone to read non-sensical review.
July 17th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
At the very least you could have thrown up a *Spoiler* Before throwing in the part about Liam Neeson. I truly appreciate you taking away some of the mystery in a movie ive been waiting for since seeing “The Dark Knight”.
July 17th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
You’re punishment must be more severe.
Ok. Answer me? who are you? You’re just another unsatisfied with your life critic who can’t act, write or direct movies. Or was it an attempt to sorta distinguish yourself and get famous? Get a life and start making your own movies before you get yourself in trouble. This is not a threat just a warning from our Russian Nolan community
July 17th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
You people are idiots. The Dark Knight was memorable, but only because of Heath Ledger. It started out really strong and imploded on its own weight about 2/3 of the way in. It’s an overly-long film which allows special effects and explosions to make up for what should be substance.
That being said, Heath Ledger was remarkable. He saved the film.
Regardless, this reviewer presents valid criticisms of the film and its predecessor. Anyone who feels personally offended by this review is moron.
July 17th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Allow me to translate the review into language Fanboys can comprehend: “Tastes Great, Less Filling”
My condolences that your movie stank. Good news, there will be fewer people when you get there, so maybe your seat will be better, and you’ll experience the full bombast in true surround sound.
July 17th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Message to fanboys: some people are not going to like the movie. Grow the &^%$ up.
July 17th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
“Why are so many people SO invested in a movie they haven’t seen yet? It’s idiocy and sheer small-mindedness to be this devoted to a stupid movie franchise. It’s like the Church of Christopher Nolan or something. No dissent! Follow blindly without thinking about anything for yourself!
And it’s completely unfair to attack this reviewer and say such hurtful things over a movie that you have not actually seen yet. Keep your ignorant opinions to yourself, and maybe think about devoting all your energy and interest to something more substantial than a comic book movie.”
Could it be that “The Dark Knight” actually is a good movie and your are hating blindly?
July 17th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
LOL cracks me up how some of the psychopaths here are mad lmfao!! As if they actually wrote the movie.
July 17th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Fine is right about the second movie, so he’s probably right about this one. I find it laughable that so many kids (hope they’re all kids) don’t understand that these blockbuster movies, even when directed by someone with Nolan’s talents, have one objective: to sell popcorn. It’s a big bucks boring extravaganza, just like Avengers. Sorry, folks. The truth is hard to take, but it’s out there.
July 17th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I really can’t even stand to read this review for many reasons – it contains spoilers, the reviewer clearly wanted attention. I’m happy he has had his 15 minutes, after this, I’d love to see what he thinks a great movie is …
July 17th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
I guess some small time critics, basically a nobody trying to be a roger ebert, need the attention. When 2 out of what not 48 agree with positive. Worthless entities.
July 17th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Mr Fine,
thank you for having the honesty to share your thoughts on the movie. Compared to many of your detractors, you have at least seen the film, so your opinions are more informed than most. Even if your detractors are right and TDKR is the best movie ever (a subjective accolade by its very nature), you would think that they would understand that every movie has people who dislike it.
The best movies are usually controversial, and it is there very greatness that creates the controversy. Take 2001 and Blade Runner as two movies that are heralded as great today. This is not despite the fact that they still cause arguments but rather because of it. That that there seems to be no room for criticism of Nolans Batman reflects poorly not only on the fans, but on the films.
The Nolan Batman films are supposed to be great because they are smart, they make you think. Yet thoughtful ideas create debate. For intelligent movies they seems to force little afterthought. Mindless praise is just that (listen to the religiosity of many reviews). If Nolan really said something with Batman, then why is there not room for discussion?
Is Nolan’s Batman so popular because it is indeed a smart movie, or because it makes people feel smart? Its a big difference. Judging from the venom being spewed by some of the more rabid fans is clearly personal. If Nolan’s Batman makes you feel smart, would criticism of it make you feel dumb? The ego hates feeling dumb, and it usually asserts its intelligence loudly and without thought.
There is of course the tendency not just to attack those who questions ones ideas, but also to seek shelter in the like minded. People know that there will be praise if you stand up on your soap box and speak the gospel of popular culture. Its warm in the majority. There is money to be made there. And dont worry about those who disagree with you, they are the cultist. They are the attention seeker.
What has my generation come to? Devolving into group think and throwing stones at the outsider. I thought this was a mature movie, a positive step towards a more thoughtful culture? Oh well, its always high school on the internet.
July 17th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Seriously, why include spoilers???
July 17th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
C’mon, half of you people would go see 2:40 of Christian Bale whipping his dick out and taking a piss all over Gotham City and say it’s the best thing you’ve ever seen.
July 17th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
comic books are for kids. and comic book movies are for kids. why do grownups watch this crap?
July 17th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
It´s nice to se that peaople have different opinions. Cudos to you for stating your opinion just the way you wrote! Very good review!!
July 17th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I have to agree with his summation of TDK. Had it not been for Ledger’s wonderful performance, the movie would have been just another superhero popcorn flick… so much so that when he mentioned the “boat scene” I’d completely forgotten about it, and that scene at the end with all the x-ray stuff? Blah. I don’t think he’s trashing TDKR, he just wishes it would have more nuance and that the massiveness would have some meaning to it rather than just being big loud for the sake of being big and loud – especially after getting some chill-inducing trailers for TDKR early on.
July 17th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Marshall, you lived in Sioux Falls too long. The world is full of villains who want to wipe the slate clean. Just wait for the Taliban again in Afghanistan. The tea party in the US of A, just joking folks.
The Taliban destroyed centuries old giant buddhas. Their followers in Egypt want to destroy the pyramids. The reason, to wipe the slate clean. Your South Dakota living taught you to think that the world if full of boring nothingness and everyone gets along.
July 17th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
This is ridiculous. I saw this movie a couple of weeks ago on opening weekend and in my opinion, Bane, played by Gary Oldman, is the best villain in movies today. What a great movie!
July 17th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
To all those who are commenting negatively on Fine’s negative review: who are you people? You’re the representation of comic book fans? Seriously! What a sad state. Get over yourselves. Unless you’ve seen an advanced screening of TDKR you can’t even form a substantial argument as to why the movie may be great. You’re tearing down someone who has seen the film when many (most) of you probably haven’t even seen it yourselves. How about waiting to comment until after you’ve seen it. No, wait, that would require more than animal intelligence which few if any people that have left comments here have. Where was all your hate after Superman Returns came out? Oh, that’s right, we all agreed that it kind of sucked so no arguments needed to occur. So, as long as the majority think something is bad it’s okay, but if the minority think something is bad we need to come to this? Inconclusive opinions of a movie few fans have seen.
One last point, The Dark Knight was a horribly bloated script that could have shed at least thirty minutes. It sounds like The Dark Knight Rises took too many cues from that film. I can’t say for certain though as I HAVEN’T SEEN THE FILM!
Troll on, jerks.
July 17th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Errrrr you guys are idiots and here’s why, but don’t worry we maybe able to save you yet.
1)Have any of you actually seen the film?
Last time I checked it’s not out for another 3 days, so firstly, none of you are, as of yet, allowed to have an opinion on the film.
2) Why is it necessary to take the opinion someone has of an arbitrary piece of entertainment and interpret it as a personal insult? I FUCKING LOVE FILMS. I BREATHE FILMS. CAN’T LIVE WITHOUT THEM, but I have never in anyway felt threatened by the opinion of someone I don’t know, especially when that opinion has absolutely nothing to do with my values/appearance/intelligence/etc, you know, stuff that actually effects my everyday existence. This review doesn’t matter. It is just someone’s opinion and one of the amazing things about the world is the incredible range of opinions it has to offer and also the fact that no opinion can be wrong on the basis that there is no objective truth. This film is only good or bad in the eye of the person who see’s it, even if 99.9% of the people who see it, like it, it makes no difference and does not in anyway push the film’s quality into the territory of being a fact.
3) It doesn’t actually matter whether the film is good or not. The sky won’t cave in if TDKR turns out to be ok. In fact it probably will be, just ok, you know why? Becuase Nolan, although obviously talented isn’t the fucking saviour of the film industry. Yes, he makes interesting action films in an industry that generally churns out shit, however there is a world of film beyond Hollywood, stretching continents and decades, filled with fucking amazing films that outstrips anything that Nolan has made or could ever hope to make. The point of this though isn’t just to diss Nolan, as I said he’s a great talent, it’s just to show that if you care so passionately about cinema, focus your energies on the incredible body of work the medium has to offer, rather than insulting some poor reviewer, whose only ‘crime’ is write negatively about he, he probably sincerely didn’t like. Also I’ve worked as a critic and you know what, when you bother to take film seriously and build up it’s rich and vibrant history: mainstream, independent, foreign, silent, it’s a good chance that maybe the TDKR just won’t cut it in comparison.
4) Just read this – http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/guess-what-some-people-arent-going-to-like-the-dark-knight-rises-why-aggregated-movie-scores-are-meaningless-20120717#.UAXA6LTY-So
July 17th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
You guys might want to watch the movie first before you disagree with someone who has.
July 17th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Just a quick response to a few things ‘Oh You Troll’ has written
‘Now, your main point was that a blockbuster film needs to have less action and more weeping… That argument is so ridiculously ignorant, it collapses on itself before you can say “contrarian cunt”.
– this is completely wrong. The review is calling for intelligent action not less action. Intelligent action, as in born out of character motivation, narrative ingenuity, see Jaws, Alien, Die Hard for examples, not Michael Bay smash-it-all-too-shit set pieces. Hence the Transformers comparison. WHICH- may still be true because again. NONE OF US HAVE SEEN IT YET.
‘Enjoy the hits you’ll be getting over the next few days. Because YOU yourself KNOW in your heart what a shitty little move this was just to get 15 minutes of pseudo-fame. You know that your opinion now means nothing in the grand-scale of things. Not to anybody, not even to yourself.’
-if this review means nothing in the grand-scale of things why are you being so aggressive. You yourself say it doesn’t matter, but you seem very emotional about this…?
July 17th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Marshall:
Don’t let these fanboy/child-men screw with you.
Adults aren’t supposed to like superheroes. When I was a young adult we were into Bergman, Kurosawa, and Fellini — not guys running around in capes, or robots. Thanks for telling the truth about the emasculation of today’s chinless American males who get excited by what are, essentially, children’s movies.
July 17th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
You guys hating on him are idiots, especially since most of you haven’t even seen the film yet. Gee, one person dislikes THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, big freaking deal. Get the fuck over it.
I don’t get this worship Christopher Nolan gets. He’s good, yes, sometimes even great, but he still hasn’t proven himself to be an undisputed legend yet. Maybe one day he’ll get there, but as of now, his films are brilliant on a technical and scripted level, with not much emotional resonance to them. That’s a fact, sorry fanboys.
July 17th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
A fair-minded review, I think. Just re-watched TDK and there really was a lot to criticize in that movie, especially in the two-face arc. Why wasn’t Harvey Dent under the strictest protection while in the hospital? How did he go from good guy to murderous child-killing psychopath in the blink of an eye? Why does Batman need to take the fall for Two-face’s crimes, when they could easily be blamed on The Joker and his psychotic henchman?
That having been said, it was a really good movie and sometimes overreach is the price paid for true creative ambition.
Fanboys, please walk outside, take a breath of fresh air. It’s just a movie and he gave his honest opinion.
July 17th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Fanboys, chill! a) it’s only a movie and b) it’s just Marshall Fine’s opinion. So, he didn’t like the film. Are you that fragile that you feel that everyone has to agree with your opinion of this movie, which many of you haven’t seen, yet? You guys can still go see the movie. No one’s stopping you, no one’s asking you not to queue up late at night so you can boast you were the first to see it at 12:01 somewhere and bask in the glory it brings you amongst your fellow fanboys as you laminate the ticket and put it on your wall next to the movie poster.
July 17th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I thought TDK was overblown pretentious nonsense, and I almost wholeheartedly agree with this reviewer. IS TDK really in the ranks of the shawshank redemption, forrest gump, american beauty?
No.
You can discredit my opinion, or overlook it as you see fit. But I’ll have you know I’ve seen over 1000s of movies and read 100s of books. I’m well versed on character development, story, freshness, and I just have to say it… TDK did very little for me, except incite rage at it’s glowing reviews across the board. Just because it looks good, smells good, sounds good…. don’t mean that it is…
July 17th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
I unfortunately have to agree with Marshall Fine… Overblown bombast and special effects are no substitute for great storytelling and dramatic inevitability. Call me old-fashioned, but I enjoy a certain amount of realism- as in, believable character motivation… something which is in short supply in “Dark Knight Rises”.
July 17th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
The author probably won’t read this, but I’d like to say this is an excellent review. I thought it had some weird grammar and structure, but the reasoning was loud and clear. After hearing about the backlash, I’m really surprised that the review wasn’t harsher. It’s really seems like a fair and balanced representation of opinions.
The comparison to pro-wrestling is interesting. I’m not sure it’s a negative. I’ve always considered pro-wrestling a live-action comic book. Look at the moves they use and the outfits they wear and it doesn’t seem ridiculous. Who wears spandex besides wrestlers, comic-book characters and cardio trainers?
July 17th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Man In The Arena:
“It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.” – Teddy Roosevelt
July 18th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Hi Marshall.
I just wanted to say I agreed 100% with your review and your take on the previous movies. This cretin fanaticism is an ugly phenomenon and, in the case of “The Dark Knight,” makes me hate the movie where I otherwise might be forgiving.
July 18th, 2012 at 12:18 am
I think this is an amazing review and i believe it. The last movie was overhyped just because Heath Ledger was dead. You are all stupid ignorant nerds. You fanboys sure do get mad over a little review. Grow up.
July 18th, 2012 at 12:19 am
So none of you mouthbreathers have actually seen this film right? Yet you sit there furiously bashing away at your keyboard whilst tears of rage and cheeto crumbs tumble down your faces, shocked that someone could dislike one of Rev. Nolan’s Batman films. You should all take a good hard look at yourself.
As for the review, the whole ‘LOUD FOR THE SAKE OF LOUD’ aspect of TDK was awful, so if its continued here, then I don’t see myself enjoying this that much either. However I will go into the cinema with an open mind and no agenda, unlike the majority of Batman/Nolan fanboys who’ve already decided this will be the best movie ever.
July 18th, 2012 at 1:01 am
The truth regarding this critic and his review is, both will go away as quickly as they appeared. Unlike Nolan and this trilogy beyond today he will be nothing more than a miniscule blip in history. No one will ever be inspired by his dribble. While Nolan and his brilliant interpretation will live on forever inspiring and introducing generations to come to this iconic character.
Eat Shit,
~JONES
July 18th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Thank you for the first honest, real review of this film that I’ve read. TIME Magazine’s critic spent the entire “review” (word used as loosely as possible) gushing and quoting the movie like a pathetic fanboy (read as: Shill for his Warners bosses), and several other reviews — include Travers at Rolling Stone — all mysteriously sound the same, use the same turns of phrase, and describe the film almost exactly the same way.
Apparently a gift basket and talking points go a long way for most critics. Thanks for keeping it real.
July 18th, 2012 at 3:19 am
Kudos! The Dark Knight series is complete over-rated, over-produced and horribly written garbage. Thank god you are brave enough to print it.
July 18th, 2012 at 3:53 am
Well… interesting review. I only read it because a thousand fanboi’s were crucifying you and thus making you more popular. I’ll go see this movie with reservations, I never liked the way Batman was treated in any of these movies and
I think the only time Nolan really did a good Batman scene is in the first film when the thugs are disappearing form the docks one by one and no one is sure what is happening. That felt like an authentic Batman moment and for a moment I though Nolan understood the character. Since then he hasn’t done anything to re-instill that feeling other than direct a great Joker performance. But Batman has been my favorite comic book character since the days of Neal Adams so they have my movie ticket money whether I like it or not.
Good luck weathering the storm of crazy immature internet nerds who believe everyone should think just like them.
July 18th, 2012 at 5:09 am
dude, seriously the dark knight is one of the best movies ever written and filmed. you are an idiot.
July 18th, 2012 at 5:27 am
I don’t think it’s fair that everyone is bashing a review for TDKR when they haven’t seen the movie yet. It’s ridiculous that Rotten Tomatoes had to turn off comments because a whole bunch of idiots had to shoot their mouths off in response to a negative critical review. If you love Nolan’s Batman films then your own opinion is worth more than any critic’s. There isn’t any reason to jump to the defense of a film that can clearly stand on its own credit.
July 18th, 2012 at 6:36 am
this is an awful review. i am not a fan of nolan’s batman movies, but even i have to say that this was the most awful reviews i have ever read. it was honestly so bad, that i actually wished i liked these movies just so i could disagree with every word that you are saying. make this your last review. for the sake of us all. that was just painful to read.
July 18th, 2012 at 6:39 am
@marcus.
“The replies to this review here are hilarious. Childish tantrums. *waaaah* Mean Marshall Fine didn’t like the movie I worship so HE’s the bad guy. Alan calls Jonathan Rosenbaum “an actually informed and well-read critic” only because Alan agrees with his reviews.”
Rosenbaum didn’t like ‘Memento’, and has not reviewed any other Nolan film, so – no – I do not necessarily like Rosenbaum because I agree with him: I like him because – even if I disagree with him – his arguments are usually sound and based on a nuanced reading of the text. I don’t respect Fine because of the same reason I don’t respect you, Marcus: you’re arguments are empowered by ignorance, not knowledge, which is why you could make such an unfounded claim about Rosenbaum.
July 18th, 2012 at 7:40 am
You’re entitled to your opinion, Marshall, and fair play to you, you at least make a shallow attempt at a balanced review without entirely sounding condescending. Sadly that’s about where “fair and balanced” begins and ends.
Essentially, you come across as an opportunist, effete, pretentious and for a guy who waxed lyrical about ‘Rock of Ages’ and ‘MIB III’, this just looks deliberately contrarian. I don’t doubt some of your criticism may be valid but the patronising tonality of your piece undermines that credibility.
What other conclusion is left to drawn other than to say you’ve decided to swim against the tide to draw attention to yourself for the sheer thrill of it.
While you have a sharp vocabulary, RT needs to take a look at your ability to perceive what is quality and what is absolute dross. Anybody who has the audacity to pen the merits of ‘Rock of Ages’ must indeed have been high themselves or hacking out pulp before a looming deadline.
Movies for “Marshall Fine: Movies for Smart People”..? Try this one on for size…
“Marshall Fine: Movies for total wankers.”
July 18th, 2012 at 7:50 am
you gotta like Ann Hathaway in the sexy catsuit! Good review, I could tell it was a dud just from the trailer myself.
July 18th, 2012 at 8:21 am
All the insults and invective hurled at this reviewer only make me want to defend the guy and admire him. People typically react with this kind of childish indignation when being told a truth they don’t want to hear. I tend to believe this reviewer is one of the few who gets it right when it comes to The Dark Knight Rises whether you overgrown children want to hear it or not.
July 18th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Thanks for an actual review. Your detractors here, mostly illiterate and unthinking, are the “haters.”
July 18th, 2012 at 9:41 am
To all the Nolan haters, I’m with you. One gentleman said it best: his movies are set pieces, don’t add up, are just plotless.
To the rest who love TDK, everyone makes their own money, and spend them to their satisfaction. And satisfied, they were.
I for one fell asleep and wanted my money back from TDK, and all the bad reviews should have warned me to wait for it in the dollar theater.
I for one will only pay $7 for this one, on the IMAX, so even if it’s going to be bad and awful, as predictable as the trailers confirm, at least I burned only $7 on it, not the foolish $19 everyone else will pay. Fools rush in in midnight.
It’s because of the Chris Nolans of the industry that the IQ of the audience has dropped lower than the glacier temperatures of the arctic.
You want to go see a great movie, with a plot, story, emotion, that’s right kids, EMOTION, and not numbing chases with no end, go watch Titanic, Aliens, T2, Tell No One, Point Blank, Taken, and Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Wake up people, if it wasn’t for CGI, Nolan would be awash, and the man thinks he knows better than James Cameron to continue to “shoot” on film, or Roger Deacon, the best DP on the planet, or John Toll, or Russell Carpenter? Fire the man. Take away his camera.
Chris Nolan can’t even be a PA on Cameron’s set.
I’m going to cap my money on a wanna be mythologist. Thank god we don’t ever have to see another Chris Nolan Batman again.
July 18th, 2012 at 10:00 am
This reviewer’s words hurt you people that much? I can’t understand all the fanatics here. It’s a review about a movie featuring a man who dresses like a bat… that seems like tricky material to base a film on. It’s easy to see, just based on the premise alone, how it might garner a bad review or two.
July 18th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Sounds like a lot of traffic generating nonsense.
Also, I’m not sure what argument you were trying to make with “an audience too young to have been born, let alone old enough to read (or willing to read, for that matter)”, as graphic novels and comic books DO NOT constitute as good reading material, in my opinion.
July 18th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Fascinating, that one mildly negative opinion incites such fury. No wonder standards are so low. If people cannot think more critically and be more discriminating, this nation is in big trouble.
July 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am
You Sir are an insincere, childish, and all-around pompous ass. The review starts out with an attack on younger viewers for no other reason than to prove you superior and the master of all things previous to their existence.
I am not attacking your actual review as I believe most critics of art to be those who cannot create anything of their own. This inability to create drives the so called “critic” to analyze those who have the talent and courage to create art. It takes guts and passion to create a piece of artwork, in any form, and have it seen, heard, or experienced by others, but (as you surely know) it only takes cowardly failures in life to CRITIZE those who do.
As for your review of the first two Nolan Batman movies, your assessment is short-sighted and dripping with butt-hurt feels of inadequateness. The two predecessors to The Dark Knight Rises were monumental steps towards realistic “super” hero movies. They created a world that was actually possible and with a very compelling story. The days of campy, brightly dressed super heroes are coming to an end. Hollywood has seen the writing on the wall of money and they will not forget it. Sure Hollywood will still spit out crappy super hero movies but, the game has changed and a new cinematic era has dawned.
Since you are a self-proclaimed lover of movies for smart people the Nolan Batman saga should bring you hope not hate and anger at the younger generation. But with your positive review of MiB3 I’m assuming you’re leaning towards staying in your comfort zone and retreating to your mother’s basement with those teenage girls you have locked up down there.
In closing I would like to say you are a complete shit bag trolling piece of trash and you fucking suck monkey cock.
Jason
July 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Dear Mr. Fine,
First off, let me begin by stating outright that I support the critics of our time to the fullest extent, including yourself. I believe that everyone has the right to either agree or disagree with the majority opinion, and give actual, thoughtful reasons to support their agreement or dissent. That’s the beauty of a free country- unlike, say, anarchy (Batman fans will recall this was the primary introduction of the Joker in TDK), Americans have the power to freely conduct themselves in a manner indicative of their own will. I love that.
That being said, Mr. Fine, you should also realize that, as a film critic, you are subject to scrutiny as part of the free will of the public who either agrees or disagrees with you. Obviously, not many people agree with you on this one, but it doesn’t mean they should be verbally attacking you for your opinion. I, personally, liked Batman Begins and loved The Dark Knight with every inch of my heart, but I respect you for being the first negative review for a historic movie.
Regardless, going into this movie, Mr.Fine, you might not have been aware of the gravity of influence this film has on the culture of my generation. This is, perhaps, THE most highly anticipated movie of the last 15 years (aside from The Phantom Menace) and you should have considered that you were bound to upset fans looking for a perfect ending to one of the greatest superhero sagas ever to be filmed. Whether you considered this or not, the backlash is as apparent as ever. The point you need to consider now is whether or not the backlash was worth it. I don’t think the credibility issue is relevant, as you are a critic of the press and public (and I liked MIB 3 too).
Some movies are critic-proof, such as this one. I know that I will definitely see this movie anyway, despite your negative review, as will countless other Batman fans. I’m only sorry you didn’t like Nolan’s finale, and I’m disappointed that TDKR couldn’t stay at 100% much longer- but I’m not ANGRY at you.
And as a side note to Batman fans: Mr. Fine didn’t really spoil anything for you. Frankly, I’m shocked that you’re more angry at Fine than David Letterman, who may have spoiled the one true reason to see this in the first place. Get a grip on yourselves- is this how we want Nolan’s Batman trilogy to be remembered by? Backlash? I don’t think so. Mr. Fine may have only “spoiled” the setting of the climactic battle- he did not spoil any important plot twists, including Talia al Ghul or the fate of Batman at the end of the movie. While I’m disappointed with Mr. Fine, I’m also disappointed at every Batman fan who had the audacity to come to Mr. Fine and threaten him with hateful remarks. I’m not proud to say I’m a Batman fan when this is what people associate with me.
Can we at least all try to be peaceful until Friday? Then we can all argue about stupid things for a whole week and get it out of our systems. But for God’s sake, the wait for Friday is killing me- don’t make it harder for my feeble, 15-year old mind.
July 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
I would have gone with The bad Robin Scenario:
THE BBEG: RIDDLER
The Riddler is hold up in a cell in Arkham Asylum. This has not however prevented him from creating havoc on the Streets of Gotham. His intellectual capacity, up around 214 IQ has resulted in a logician capable of unbelievable manipulation and plotting. The Riddler is using people with secrets – people he can blackmail to simply do his bidding outside the walls of Arkham. His method is a collection of punched hole cards which when laid over the word puzzle in the Gotham times, reveals a coded message specific to the individual in receipt of the coded message – each coded unique to a given day’s puzzle.
These minions serve as a method of attack on Batman where no individual has any connection to another yet they function as cohesively as an Organization. Police Officers stealing fire arms, civilians transferring weapons between drop-offs, and hoods using them on Batman – or to lure him; Others to serve as spotters to watch for Batman and notify the cops and flush him in a given direction through the city.
The Riddler created the puzzles for Gotham Times before he went in. Only the mind can give you freedom in Arkham and for the Riddler, Arkham is a monastic retreat. He has chosen to be there, because it is to his advantage. He is contemplating the greatest Riddle of all. Who is Batman?
While the world would consider the Batman to be a Persona opposite the Man who wears the mask (Bruce Wayne – though few know it), The Riddler sees a third persona for whom the Batman and the man are both subservient – both masks to be worn. It is this third persona who will use all resources open to him to achieve his ends by any means – even betraying the trust of friends if need be.
For Bruce Wayne/ Batman, The third Persona is the victim of the trigger event – the young child known as Bruce Wayne whose world is shattered by the murder of his parents. He perceives the adult Bruce Wayne as much a mask as the Batman. The adult Bruce Wayne is a consequence of the chaos and it is for that future that the child Bruce Wayne is seeking Revenge. The Child begins regarding the Man as a Mask – as much a Mask as Batman.
It is this child that the Riddler must design any plan of attack for. It is the child who will be vulnerable and in turn be the weak point for both the Man (Bruce Wayne) and the Batman.
To locate the Child, the Riddler breaks the wings of a Robin and places it in the child’s path. The Child, outraged at the cruelty will take the broken Robin home to restore it back to health. However, the Robin must in turn be a destructive force in the life of the child persona. It must be a Bad Robin.
THE BAD ROBIN: WHY HARLEQUIN?
The Harlequin is a young girl who has grown up in the dark and foul world looking for justice from the unjust Gotham that is her parent –She sees Batman and what he does and becomes an individual bent on hunting down all these vile animals that molest children in her own world. The Harlequin doesn’t even have a real name anymore – she becomes part of the chaos that is blamed on Batman.
The Harlequin is increasingly drawn to Batman. As long as he is prepared to let her kill her prey and fend for herself, she will always be apart from him. But when he makes her dependant on him – lifting her broken form from the gutter when she bites off more than she can chew, and takes her back to his apartment to patch her up and let her rest and recover – they must inevitably become closer.
When Alfred the Butler shows up he finds this very young girl in Bruce’s apartment – naked in Bruce’s bed. She is too young.
Alfred arranges to provide her with some clothes in her size and set aside her ‘harlequin’ suit for repair and cleaning. She awakes naked in Bruce’s apartment unaware that the Batman has rescued her. The Strange old man lays out a selection of clothes for her and as she learns that she is in Bruce Wayne’s apartment – She doesn’t understand the link between Batman and Bruce Wayne. She thinks Bruce Wayne is as villainous as the bastards she hunts; it is here that The Harlequin kills Alfred – She is arrested for Alfred’s murder in Bruce Wayne’s Apartment and locked away in Arkham.
The Riddler’s plan to put the bad Robin with its broken wings in the Batman’s path has led him to Bruce Wayne, Prince of Gotham.
UNDER A MAGNIFYING GLASS: BRUCE WAYNE
Bruce Wayne is smeared publicly by the whole paedophile issue that is now raised by a naked young girl in his apartment – in his bed. Alfred the Butler is dead and Bruce Wayne is as publicly despised as Batman.
With the Bruce Wayne Persona under attack via the vulnerabilities of the child, the Batman comes increasingly exposed and vulnerable. If the Batman is Bruce Wayne, the next target must be his support mechanism – Wayne Enterprises. Pieces of Bruce Wayne’s life begin to surface.
That Bruce Wayne was held in a Chinese Prison for criminal activities there only to have his freedom bought comes to light.
UNDER SIEGE: WAYNE ENTERPRISES
Discrepancies will be exposed as Wayne Enterprises comes under review. While they will discover that the R&D division has vanished from the books, Lucius Foxx will recognise that there has been a duplication of the Bat Computer –the other in the Bat-cave. Bruce Wayne/Batman has betrayed him.
Wayne Enterprises is taken from him as his friend Lucius Foxx departs the company citing differences of opinion…only to be assassinated by one of the Riddler’s minions. His only surviving ‘friend’ is Commissioner Gordon – the man who hunts him.
He reveals his identity to Gordon and gives him access to the Bat Computer.
Still he needs to be pushed. The Riddler must push him until Batman becomes a Killer. Gordon is murdered and all the evidence points to Bruce Wayne. A handgun, long forgotten to the past, with Bruce Wayne’s finger prints is revealed.
OUTCAST OF GOTHAM: BATMAN
Traumatized by the loss of his friends, and cut off from his assets, Bruce Wayne is forced to seek refuge in the gutter. Here we see a Batman using the resources available to those at the bottom. It is here that Bruce Wayne is picked up and taken to Arkham Asylum.
ARKHAM ASYLUM: MEET THE RIDDLER
In Arkham Asylum, Batman is introduced to the Riddler. He is very much your ultra brilliant Zodiac Killer with more brains than mortal men.
The Riddler reveals how he destroyed everything Batman/Bruce Wayne had.
Bruce Wayne Kills the Riddler becoming a murderer. Yet the Riddler Killings will continue without him for some time.
Worse Case Scenario, Bruce Wayne uses Arkham as a dump for his failed Relationships.
CONCLUSION
There we have it – Potentially the endgame for this increasingly dark Batman. Certainly Batman doesn’t end in the Gutter. But his eventual return Arkham Asylum brings us a monster who will likely stalk the Streets with a new Purpose. A Killer who would make no distinction between that poor slob who is forced to guard a Mob Warehouse for five dollars a day because Wane Enterprises cut jobs to pay for Bruce Wayne’s lifestyle, and a high end villain out killing kids.
July 18th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
whow… I get the feeling that any critic is to be shut down over there in the US?
For one part I can say, there are really really really good movies out there… and “blockbusters” remakes, similar remakes, same characters over and over again just with more 3D…well they really DO get boring! Oh and always those heroic endings! BORING!
July 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Seriously??? This is beyond ridiculous. From insults to obscenities, to using the same “too big to fail” logic that bailed out our banks (some movies are critic proof?) this is the biggest lot of spoiled, elitist crap I’ve ever seen, and if it’s representative of the 16-25 year old age bracket, our future is screwed.
THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT MOVIE. There never has been in the past, and that anyone thinks that the third movie in a series would be the exception to that rule is a fool. That goes for the 3rd in ANY trilogy, but throwing in how subpar Nolan’s Batman movies have been- who actually expected this to be some golden movie beloved by all?
Some of you children need to calm the fuck down and grow up. Learn to deal with different opinions (ignoring the fact that none of you have actually SEEN the movie yet and shouldn’t even HAVE opinions). If you’re all getting so upset over a movie review, how are you going to handle conflict when it actually matters?? You know… REAL LIFE!
The problem is that media journalism is a joke. There’s no such thing as journalistic integrity anymore, and the high number of perfect reviews for movies is proof of that. There is a lot of pressure on reviewers to give a certain score, and if you ask me, the highest and lowest scores shouldn’t count for aggregate scoring.
While the low score may have been a ploy to get traffic (which worked, you monkey brained group of idiots- rather than ignoring it, you’re here giving him hits) I’m sure his points are all valid, and you need to stop finding reasons to justify negatives because you have some unexplained need to think Bale’s lispy, effeminate Batman is perfect.
July 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
You have no idea how to review a movie, you are paid to just criticize things. I hope you look into a mirror and see how sad this is.
July 18th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Haven’t seen it, dont plan on it. Good review. Make those Nolan kiddies madder. Good work. Good work. You are my hero. No sarcasm. GET NOLAN FANS.
July 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
well…
maybe you sir have a point
i love the reboot nolan made for batman, but somehow i think insomnia and memento were much better..
like u said less grand maybe..
im really hoping it aint as bad as u reviewed it..
but the dark knight was good!!!!
keeping fingers crossed
July 18th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Very good review! I also agree that BATMAN BEGINS was the best of the lot so far.
July 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Seen the previews and while I enjoyed the first two Bale Batman movies have no immediate plans to watch this one. I’ve seen all the superhero flicks but at almost 3 hours, I just don’t have the time to invest. Will just wait for it to be available on Bluray.
July 18th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
thank you for this review. it was well-reasoned. I agree with you about the hand to hand combat. Sounds like the characters are very 1 dimensional.
July 18th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
This person who’s writing the article is a retard
July 18th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Haha its crazy that right after this guy put up the negative comment and broke the streak, all these other websites came and started publishing negative critique.#copycats #dontbelieve #everythingyouhear
July 18th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
you’re the reviewer we deserve, but not the one we need right now, ty.
July 18th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
I agree with Fine. Many of these superhero movies are over the top and subsitute big explosions and nonsensical sequences for deeper and grittier storylines. I was excited to see the Avengers and was similarly disappointed – a lot of big flashy action sequences, like in the Transformers, that really doesn’t impress, along with the cliche ending sequence where you are supposed to think that a superhero died but – Surprise! – he didn’t!!! Remember the Mr. Smith’s from the Matrix? Seriously, you can’t tell me you weren’t bored to death as Neo continually fist-fought them when you knew that it couldn’t destroy them – and you also knew that Neo, obviously, wasn’t going to be destroyed either.
You guys just need to take a step back and listen to what this guy has to say. The first Batman in the series was a work of art – the second was extremely good, but lost its focus near the end – and I believe that the last will, well, “come in third.” We’re not a stupid audience, so we need to stop being treated like we’re still little kids getting excited over fireworks and car chases like it’s the Dukes of Hazzard or something. If the Batmobile crashes through a stack of crated chicken, we’re in deep crap.
July 18th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
You sir, are a Scientologist.
If you can give Rock of Ages a good review but trash TDKR it become quite apparent where your mind is at.
Did you write this because Tom Cruise blackmailed you with your own last “audit”?
What a sad excuse of a professional you are. Lord Xenu would be proud.
July 18th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
I suspect the reason that fans are so sensitive to criticism of these movies is because at some level they sense that the movies’ quality is an illusion. The fight scenes are the simplest case of what I mean. The movie gives a weak impression that a fight is happening, but in actuality there is nothing happening on screen but a series of incoherent flashes of flailing motion. The movies works like this on every level. For example everyone seems to think that these movies are dealing with weighty issues like the nature of morality and justice, but no one seems to be able to articulate what exactly the movies are saying on these issues. It is all a bunch of empty posturing. The idea of Batman movies that are intelligent and grounded in reality, but that is not what the Nolan films are, and it is time for people to accept it. People should take a look back at the 1989 Batman, which doesn’t try so hard for realism (and therefore doesn’t fail at it like the Nolan films), but is a much better movie in every way.
July 18th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Hey,
I liked your review! I thought The Dark Knight was overrated too! The commenters here sound just awful. Oh well. I’m always able to read reviews of things I like that reviewers don’t and respectfully disagree. The commenters here sound like three year olds. That is likely why they think these movies ‘deep’ and ‘complex.’ Keep to your comic books, boys, and never try reading a real book-it might make you think.
July 18th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
I was a Nolan fan once and own probably 250 or more Batman comics. I even liked “The Dark Knight”, although it had way more stand-alone good scenes than an all-together feel of accomplishment. Then came “Inception”, both pretentious and boring (after the first promising half hour). Both the choice of villain and the trailer of TDKR put my expectations down. And this review well enough will keep me from throwing out good money for this. Some rabid fanboys call you a “hater”, spit and hiss – and don’t even realize you also said good things over the flick. I did a double review of “Inception” and “The A-Team” when they came out – for me it doesn’t look far-fetched that TDKR and Transformers may have similarities. Not at all!
And I don’t even like Anne Hathaway (“one of the movie’s few highlights”). Thanks for the warning, Mr. Fine – and thanks to all those little Gremlins that made me read it.
July 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
should have been “good things about”. Sorry
July 18th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
“The same is true of Batman’s final face-off with Bane: single combat? Hand to hand? Really? Is that all you’ve got, Christopher Nolan?”
I was hearing you out, until this point. Are you joking? If the entire movie revolved around them fighting one on one, I would understand your point, but what do you expect? It’s a comic book movie, of course there is going to be a good guy versus bad guy hand-to-hand bout. It seems to me that you are jealous of Christopher Nolan’s success
July 18th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Thank you for your review. I found it well thought out and I knew exactly how you felt about the film. I haven’t seen the film and I haven’t the foggiest idea whether I will agree with what you wrote but, even if I don’t, I will still know I enjoyed reading your criticism. The idea that we have to kowtow to the fanboys lest they get upset their lust-fantasy film is not 100 percent “fresh” on Rotten Tomatoes is absurd. They need to get a life. If this film does not get a Best Picture nod come Oscar time, we’ll have to sit through another spell of the fanboys’ wrath. When I read the vitriol against critics who dislike this movie, I picture fanboys from that William Shatner skit on “Saturday Night Live,” where he asks a fanboy, “Have you ever kissed a girl?” It. Is. Only. A. Movie!
July 18th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
The reaction here is hilarious. ‘Oh no, someone didn’t like a film I’m hyped about seeing and is challenging me to look at it with a more critical view! How dare he! This film is a masterpiece…even though I haven’t seen it.’
Seriously, when you’re foaming at the mouth about a film you haven’t even seen yet, you need to take a step back. And if you have seen it and love the film, then that doesn’t invalidate his opinion. Get a grip people.
July 18th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Wow, you Nolan drones are worse than you thought. Why can’t you simply accept the fact that some people were dissapointed by the movie. You people have not even seen the fucking movie yet. Jesus, calm your fucking tits. Stop acting so childish.
July 18th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Great opening 20 minutes, shame about the other 145.
July 18th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Marshall Fine, Ultimate Troll
July 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
The butthurt is strong. Everyone has an opinion, you can’t force someone to take yours. Props to the man for saying what he wanted to. IMHO TDKR was a better movie and Ledger carried it to epic levels. BB was mediocre and this one is similar. Very FUN movies and worth seeing as any comic book fan should, but far from anything special. Avengers was a fun movie too (way more fun!) and all comic movies should be praised and help unite us, not divide us.
Anyhow, don’t let the cry baby fan boys upset you. These were the same people who hoped Avengers would stink and dislike anything that threatens their precious Batman. Those who enjoy all CBMs, you guys help make these movies possible and will help us get many more!
July 18th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
One more critic I’ll never pay attention to. This guy is everything I hate in a reviewer: elitist, sensational, jaded. Bleh.
July 18th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Thank you for your review. I believe the majority of reviews out were impressed by the wiz bang of the movie and missed the lack of any sensible, meaningful aspect to the movie.
Blow everything up and knock down, beat ’em up violence is art but it does make money because it does sell to the adolescent market.
July 19th, 2012 at 2:09 am
Você é irrelevante.
July 19th, 2012 at 2:15 am
Here’s an idea, let’s just watch the film and see if it lives up to or even exceeded expectations. Who cares about this guy’s review? so, he doesn’t like the movie, who cares? some people won’t like TDKR just like some people didn’t like The Avenger or The Amazing Spider-man. And he’s not even a well-known or credible reviewer, I only found out about this from an article in beyondhollywood, so I doubt that this review will change people’s minds. TDKR is already a critical success and will inevitably become a financial success as well. If the movie is nominated or even won an Oscar, then all of the hater can come back here and tell him to $uck on the awards that the film won.
July 19th, 2012 at 2:39 am
If you don’t like TDKR Marshall, that’s perfectly fine…I’m kind of worried the film might not be good myself. However, what I’m not going to do is write a review that insults the viewers! I’m not going to write a review that is so damn biased it makes said review irrelevant! I’m not going to write a review that gives away spoilers, and plot that people DON’T KNOW YET (cause’ we haven’t seen it)!!! Whether or not the film sucks or not isn’t my point. It CAN suck for all I care. Your review is clearly very poorly written, and very unprofessional. Sorry man.
July 19th, 2012 at 2:47 am
And for the other people commenting here(those who hate the fanboys or Nolanites as you call them) who actually thank the guy/reviewer or liked his review… I’m sure some of you haven’t even seen the film and you’re already agreeing, defending, or thanking the guy? How about you see the movie first. If you didn’t like it and share the same sentiments with the reviewer then thank him and agree with, promote and share his site, give him money or whatever… If you liked the film, then thank yourself for giving it a chance and not missing out on something good or even great.
July 19th, 2012 at 3:54 am
If you think this battle you seem more fake fake and unreal with this criticism. if you can disappoint you, the critics recognized that if they value a movie.
July 19th, 2012 at 4:18 am
I haven’t seen the movie yet (not sure if I want to), but the review to me seems like a well-written, well-thought out piece. It’s one man’s opinion. Either agree with it or disagree with it and move on. There are a few critics I like and guess what? They haven’t liked every single movie I like. Sometimes they pan a movie I enjoyed. The way some of you Batboys are carrying on, you should be embrassed with yourselves. What was it the great B-Shats said many years ago on Saturday Night Live? Oh yeah, get a life! Keep writing, Mr. Fine. I may not agree with everything you write but don’t let these movie “fans” get you down.
July 19th, 2012 at 4:28 am
Just weighing in on the controversy surrounding this review. The comment sections of most websites are like Gotham City at its nadir. Don’t despair Marshall, Batman has your back.
July 19th, 2012 at 4:46 am
Just by reading about your depiction of the boat scene from TDK I knew you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about. That was intended to be a distraction to allow Dent to continue his spree of crimes and force Batman to break his one rule (though he of course did not actually commit the murders he says he did). Evidently you don’t follow the, “See a film more than once” rule before making your “informed” review. Perhaps getting a better understanding of the characters and the movement of the story and the use of irony etc. will help with your future attempts at your job.
July 19th, 2012 at 4:54 am
We’ll be right back, With Marshall Fine’s glowing pre-release review of the homosexual comedy-drama ‘Magic Mike’ right after these messages…
July 19th, 2012 at 5:41 am
one person’s opinion. geeks take this stuff way too seriously. he’s entitled to it, too.
July 19th, 2012 at 6:28 am
i agree, its slow, cheesy and drawn out!
i could not have been more disappointed, and im a HUGE Nolan fan
July 19th, 2012 at 7:48 am
God, you fans are PATHETIC.
Whining about Batman – get a life, all of you.
July 19th, 2012 at 8:04 am
This guy gave good reviews to ‘In Time’?!?!?
That should tell all what the purpose is with his webposts.
Hahah, man, what a tool..!! 😀
July 19th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Hi Marshall!
I’m going to end up seeing the movie, but more often than not, agree with your reviews, and expect I will here as well, which makes me a little sad. I loved Batman Begins, really liked Dark Knight and have a serious crush on Bale’s Bruce Wayne (what a sexy asshole he is, right? Gotta love the bad boys).
I can’t believe that so many fan boys are calling for your head. It kills me when people tell you they are going to get you banned from RT or have you fired. Do they honestly not understand what your job is?
Anyway, I thought I’d give you some love. By the way, I listen to you talk to Brother Wease every week. You are a critic’s critic, and I appreciate that.
July 19th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Not only was this terribly written, the guy is a complete hypocrite. He repeatedly calls the film pretentious, but his elitist review is the most pretentious thing I’ve had the displeasure of reading all week.
You’re a nobody, Marshall. A nobody who is no doubt basking in this wave of negative attention, because more site hits are always good. But if you think that makes you a credible critic, then you’ve obviously been smoking too much of that potent, prescription California weed.
July 19th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
What I find really interesting about your review are the contradictions laced throughout it. For example, I find it interesting that you would bring up the origins of Bane, but then basically pan the movie for using super villains. You state, “you have to buy the notion that the world is full of super-villains whose goal is to destroy for the sake of destroying.” Clearly, your issue isn’t even with the movie, but the subject matter. You don’t like comic book movies.
You are one of those people that don’t think the movie can be taken seriously because it is based on a comic book. You’ve tried admirably to hide that fact. You’ve hidden it in a long review talking about how the movie is too far reaching, and tries too hard to be epic. At the end of the day, however, your problem isn’t with the movie, but with the Batman subject matter. Save us all some time, and just say, “Dude, I don’t like comic book movies, and I didn’t like this.”
At the end of the day, that is my problem with your review. It is dishonest. You are trying to push your own agenda by finding flaws in the movie. I’ve looked through your reviews, and you really might as well change the name of your website to The Hipster Reviews Movies. If it is big budget and mainstream, you pan it. If it is a small art house flick no one has ever heard of, you rave about it. Look, not every big budget movie is a winner, and they shouldn’t get good reviews just because the studio through money at it. They also shouldn’t get crapped all over because they are popular. You went into this movie knowing you wouldn’t like it, and, big surprise, you didn’t! Next time, go into the movie with an open mind, and maybe then your opinion will matter.
July 19th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I’ve seen it. It doesn’t get off to a bad start, has a villain who is not much more than a cage fighter, ends with a silly “twist” that makes not much sense based on earlier scenes, has loads of clunky explanations and flashbacks, features Michael Caine weeping every time he has a conversation with Batman, slows down with a pretty boring 45 minutes in the middle, and the near-ending sequence of the film is so clumsily telegraphed you know what it will be half way though the movie. Oh, and there’s zero romantic chemistry between Cotillard and Bale. And I could say more but won’t because it involves spoilers. Your review is dead on. Nolan is becoming the ultimate Emperor’s new clothes director.
July 19th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Good for you for saying your opinion when you know you will get back lash. I may not agree with your opinion but I will fight for your right to have and express it. Way to go sir.
July 20th, 2012 at 3:33 am
Hahahahaha. Funny review. Nice try. There’s people whining about whining here hahaha that always cracks me up too (have they never been online before?). I have long known there’s trashy comments all over the net. THIS IS NOTHING NEW! Freedom of speech? What’s that? I don’t expect this to be the best but I expect to enjoy it. Batman Begins is probably gonna be my favorite overall Bat-movie while Dark Knight serves up my ultimate favorite villain role. I don’t like the tone of your review but I don’t like to analyse movies either. I just like to enjoy them.
July 20th, 2012 at 3:34 am
I know what you’re saying about the “excitement” factor. That’s what turns me off many superhero movies. The back story, effects, big plodding action scenes. It’s all so heavy. Thanks for an intelligently written review.
July 20th, 2012 at 3:37 am
I saw the Dark Night Rises yesterday where I live in Asia. This review is actually kind. I have enjoyed almost all the other genre movies including the Dark night films, but this movie is poorly made, acted, and most of all written.
I literally started looking for the exit before the finale, but figured if I could sit through Battlefield Earth then I can make it to the end of this crappy movie.
The finale had me shaking my head from ridiculous scene to wtf didn’t they watch this before putting it out scene.
I feel bad for the many people who are about to be disappointed by this movie.
July 20th, 2012 at 4:35 am
Well I wasn’t happy after reading your review. I do respect that you spoke up for what you believe in and you are sticking to your guns. I’ve read a few of your reviews and for the most part you’re pretty spot on.
I thought MIB3 was probably the best of the MIB movies. I liked how they bring everything together in the end and Josh Brolin plays Agent K brilliantly. I really have no clue what everyone is talking about saying it sucks…
I guess it’s just the shock factor for everyone else. For a movie that is this critically acclaimed to be completely bashed is pretty shocking when you wait a whole year for it to come out.
July 20th, 2012 at 7:43 am
sir, u are correct… i am 17 and thought 95% of ur words were true…. i watched batman as a kid….. this batman made batman seem dumb and irresponsible… i liked the dark knight more then u seemed to…. this movie seemed way too happy or maybe it was the lighting… ahhh.. u are NOT a fool… overrated
July 20th, 2012 at 8:40 am
You compare this to the Transformers movies? Really? …….Really?? …….Really?? …….Really?? ……….Really?? ….Really?? …….Really?? …….Really?? …….Really??
July 20th, 2012 at 8:50 am
I absolutely agree with this review. Every single human tidbit in this movie WAS ultimately swept away by Nolan’s pretentiousness. It’s not the first time Nolan’s pretentious streak has gotten in the way of what could have been a good movie, either. Joseph Gordon-Levitt was the best part of this seriously bloated (and inexcusably boring) picture. As usual, the action scenes mostly disappointed.
July 20th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Blasphemer, heretic, clearly this reviewer has been fornicating with the devil he must be taken to times square and birched a dozen times amongst the masses for his sins its witchcraft i tell you the work of the dark lord beelzebub himself only one tormented by such evil incarnation can speak out so deciefully against the dark knight and that sin must be punished i tell you.
He must be taken from this place and sent to bed without supper for his dark grotesque sins and must swear to never speak such ills again for forefit of eternal suffering in the fires of hell. Praise the lord Praise the lord Amen.
July 20th, 2012 at 9:47 am
It’s just a movie guys…
July 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
This is an accurate review. I appreciate your criticisms, they are genuine and authentic.
It is bothersome and unclear why people are harassing you for your sensible and appropriate interpretations of one of the largest blockbluster flops of our age.
Thank you for your articulated opinions on The Dark Knight Rises, they were well-written.
July 20th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Thank you very much, asshole
gringo ignorante.
July 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The sheep will watch anything with ‘Batman’ in the title and scream blasphemy at anyone who shares an opinion which is not favourable on their part. As Usenet wrote, “It’s just a movie guys…”.
Only thing I’d add to his comment is “and get a life! (ie, move out of your parents house, get a job and sell your comic book collection!)
That said, first comment I received from a colleague who saw it last night was “It was long.” Not amazing movie, worth staying up for or anything like that. I’ll wait for it to come out on Netflix before I watch it.
July 20th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
After seeing TDKR last night at a movie marathon where I could sit back and immediately compare to watching the previous two installments, I must say that I agree with Mr. Fine on most of the points. I’ve been a big time Bats fan all my 45 years and saw BB and TDR multiple times in the theater. But the story of this movie was disappointing at best and I have no desire to spend more $$$ to see it again – or multiple times – in a theater.
Nolan, as Fine points out so well, should have stuck to the human side of the story more and spent more time on the Bruce/Batman-Alfred relationship, the issue of aging, and or Bruce’s life’s purpose.
And I must say, Batman was not portrayed to be as smart as he should have been. Why didn’t Bats attack the Bane mask in the 1st fight? OK….so he learned something for the 2nd round. But to come back and go AGAIN hand-to-hand / fist-to-fist against Bane was stupidity on Bats’ part; one would have expected something smarter.
But in the end, it is just a movie and oh, NOT oscar worthy story material.
Better luck next time, Mr. Nolan.
July 20th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Good review. This movie is totally empty. No tension, no humor…no logic whatsoever. The previous one at least had joker. This one has a villain who is more of a joke himself. The movie actually can only be called ‘good’ when compared to the crap-movies that did well at the box-office in the past 5 – 10 years.
July 20th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
The only problem I have with this review is your blatant condescension when it comes to Nolan’s “target audience,” who apparently you believe are too young to be intelligent human beings whose brains operate independently of the chugging media machine that spoon feeds shallow thrills and cheap laughs with every big-budget action film released.
Yes, superhero movies have become so mainstreamed that even the diehard comic book nerds have trouble swallow some of the nonsense that is shoved down their throats. They rake in money, tons and tons of money. The genre is at the top of the Hot list, because it requires a simple, easy formula to succeed at entertaining the majority no matter what.
However, just because the genre became sensationalized doesn’t mean that the younger demographic has taken it over with its apparently vapid need for a quick fix of bullshit action. That’s not what the younger generation wants, and for you to be so arrogant as to blame Nolan’s “target audience” for his failure to deliver a meaningful moviegoing experience is your biggest mistake.
That being said, your review is heartbreakingly close to accurate. I don’t think that you give enough credit to the realism that is found in the villain characters, but I will begrudgingly admit that no one should burn you at the stake for your review; “The Dark Knight Rises” was not what I wanted it to be, because, as you said, Nolan tried too hard for the closing chapter of his defining superhero saga to be the biggest. He succeeded, of course. The movie operates on a huge, bombastic scale, at the price of losing its intimacy and credibility as a thought-provoking and truly unique film.
Of course, I loved it, because in my eyes, Nolan’s Batman is too important a character to fall from grace. But the film didn’t make me care about the character – or any of the characters, really – like I have in the other two films.
Truly a great film, but by far not as great as it could have been.
July 20th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
I just finished watching this film and couldn’t agree with this review more. The whole movie was an absolute joke. Plot holes, lore inconsistencies, and a shoddy half-assed story ruined what could have been a great film… I give this movie a 5/10.
July 21st, 2012 at 1:26 am
You guys are all idiots. you can keep talking shit to Mr. Fine and say he’s a terrible critic, but there’s a reason you’re on this website reading this review to begin with. and because he didnt like Dark Knight? means what? that if he doesnt like this either he HAS to just have a personal vendetta against Nolan? or Bale?
I bet that 85% of all commenters hadn’t even seen the movie before they lost it on this guy for stating his valid, reasonable opinion.
for those of you who did see Batman, i can honestly say that i believe that most of you will agree with the fact that- It WAS a good movie. i wouldn’t say otherwise. but for the BATMAN trilogy? directed by the ACCLAIMED Christopher Nolan, the movie that had fans on edge waiting for the release date to finally come…. it did not live up to the expectations by ANY standard. Fine’s, Rotten Tomato’s, anyones! It was simply NOT what it should, or could have been.
The movie lacked:
– the “edge of your seat” content and storyline that it usually has.
– Standout acting performances by ANY of the cast
– Multiple twists that usually come with a Batman movie (there was only one the entire movie and it truly wasn’t that shocking, spectacular, or grand in any sense.
When the movie ended, the same word came out of my mouth as the previous 2 Batman films, The Avengers, etc. That word was
“WOW!”
But instead of being “wow-ed” by the incredible plot line, phenomenal acting, impressive FX/Soundtrack, or fantastic direction, i was simply “wow-ed” at how disappointed i was by the time the movie had ended.
It’s sad to say, but very true, that this film lived up to it’s expectations just as much as Ryan Leaf did when he was drafted 2nd overall in 1998.
It’s just a shame that the Trilogy had to end, and will be remembered, in disappointment.
July 21st, 2012 at 2:29 am
Have to say I agree with most of this cept he left out what a troll actor cat woman was and how robin was emo. This movie was terrible and has like 100000 plot holes. Here comes the spoilers.
Why the heck were the cops in a huge line vs tanks and guys with machine guns. Are they mentally retarded, TAKE COVER!! USE SNIPERS AND TACTICS !! . Have you ever seen war, where ppl just fuckin line up in front of tanks. Retarded!!
Second Why the fuck is batman so stupid, this is the critical thinker. Why would he fight bane 1on1. and not use any sort of tricks to beat him. I duno maybe some bat weapons would have helped.
Third they repeated the same thing over and over and over till it got annoying.
The movie was entertaining, and I honestly was not bored but still thought the plot was utter garbage and ppl are blinded by their love for batman they can’t see how bad it really was.
July 21st, 2012 at 4:57 am
Wow – all you guys hating the reviewer for actually giving Nolan’s Batman story far better than it deserved. What would you guys do with a REAL Nolan-Batman criticism?
http://www.bhagwad.com/blog/2012/personal/7-reasons-why-christopher-nolans-batman-movies-suck.html/
July 21st, 2012 at 7:20 am
Batman Begins if officially the best of the three. What a bummer.
July 21st, 2012 at 7:42 am
good evil gobbledygook? you do realise this is a movie based on a comic. so this is the formula that is used by this sort of story. you are an idiot and shouldn’t be reviewing movies – they’re smarter than what you are!
July 21st, 2012 at 12:20 pm
This review mirrors my views of Nolan’s latest installment. I am surprised there are so few negative or passive reviews of TDKR, seems there is quite a bit of Batman Kool Aid being passed around.
I came out of The Dark Knight in 2008 breathless & silent, still taking in the awesome spectacle I had just witnessed.
I came out of The Dark Knight Rises on Thursday morning pissed off & disappointed, I won’t spend any time pointing out my problems with TDKR as most are quite adequately listed above.
July 21st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I completely agree with what was said in this review. Well done.
July 21st, 2012 at 1:01 pm
you know, being hater is no fault but you need to do something rather than screwing flicks with your reviews.
July 21st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop Replying To This Guys Reviews!!! Every Reply He Gets Good Or Bad Just Makes His Bosses Want Him More!! Right Now He Has The Most Replys Out Of Any Other Critic!! He Wants To Get U Guys Worked Up!!!!!! Just Stop Replying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THATS HOW HE GETS FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This Company Will Realize He Is Out Of Touch With the Masses!!
July 21st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
“A movie for smart people”
Then you have to be a genius to see this epic so.
It’s for all types of people to enjoy a graphic masterpiece . you sir, you really ambushed an attack on this movie before you even watch it.
July 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
As someone who really liked Batman Begins but thought the Dark Knight was too long, tedious and ultimately disappointing, I have to think your review of the third movie may be spot on, at least for me. Yours is the only negative review I have seen. I wasted 3 hours on the Dark Knight because every review I read was positive and I won’t make the same mistake twice. Thank you for your review.
July 21st, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Whoa, give this man a break. This is a subjective review and not the undiscussable truth. Go read the plenty of positive reviews if you’re going to take stuff like this so personally. A lot of you people really need to take yourselves and fiction less seriously.
July 21st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
I’ll just say it was amusing reading some of the comments from Nolanite scumbags. So insecure in your opinions that you can’t accept a negative review? You’re all pathetic and I imagine the closest thing you’ll get to sex is your right hand.
I wonder if Christopher Nolan cringes when he thinks about what absolute mouth frothing idiots he can count as a fan base.
July 21st, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Hey, for what it’s worth, you’re right. It’s a film that shows no political analysis. The script’s at fault.
The cast is stellar. It’s just that making a technically interesting film with a great cast just makes the bad scriptwriting even more obvious.
July 22nd, 2012 at 1:39 am
I could not agree more with this review.
July 22nd, 2012 at 2:40 am
Thank you for being willing to write a review that accurately sums up what my husband and I thought about the film. We’re huge Batman fans, superhero aficionados and movie buffs. The Dark Knight shone because of Heath Ledger and this one stood afloat because of trio of human interactions you mentioned above.
It is OK to acknowledge the film is very good, not great. Perhaps others will re-read your review in a few months and realize you were on point.
July 22nd, 2012 at 4:08 am
Alright I agree this guys an idiot for liking MIB III and hating the dark night trilogy. But honestly this review is so bad how can it even be taken seriously. Its a publicity stunt for him and in my opinion makes him a fool. But now his websites probably getting a lot more hits than other critics are.
July 22nd, 2012 at 4:51 am
I dont necessarily agree with the blog but I do think this was the weakest of the 3.
Let me get this out of the way – I love Batman – the only superhero franchise I like.
This story had a lot of holes that people are overlooking….a few below….
Aside from the movie being too long, here is what I didn’t like and here is what I would of done
1/ Bane takes over the city with the idea of destroying it, yet he waits 6 months…that whole thing is pointless…the bomb should’ve had like a short timer and in that time he holds the city hostage or something like that….i mean what terrorist would wait 6 months??? esp one who so badly wants to destroy gotham.
2/ The Bruce Wayne in prison thing should’ve been skipped…maybe Bane should’ve kicked the shit out of him but Batman narrowly escapes, where Alfred nurses him back to help perhaps??…but that was a waist of time…they could’ve tied the TATE-BANE connection another way
3/ The ending: I like what they did with Bruce Wayne, but with BLAKE…it made no sense…why do they hint at him being Robin…the real Robin is names DICK GRAYSON…so why would they imply a spin off or another movie with Robin yet not use the real Robins name? Add to the fact that Joseph Gordon Levitt is not a ‘superhero’ actor IMO. They shouldn’t have gone down that road….either they could’ve said his name in the movie was RICHARD BLAKE, then we find out his real name was RICHARD BLAKE GRAYSON and then Bruce gives him the keys to the kingdom OR they just fore-go the entire part and let JON BLAKE find the Batcave only to assume he might be the next one Batman??…
4/ Or how about the police coming out of the holding after being in there for months ready to fight LOL…they’d be so weak…it makes NO SENSE whatsoever….
I don’t know…I want to like the movie, but there is just some stuff that didn’t make sense…I would;’ve rather waited another year for them to not rush and iron out these kinks…
The actors were good, the SP-FX were great, I wasn’t bored but I wasn’t blown away like I was with TDK or BB. The storyline lacks I think. I love what they did with Catwoman and I like how they close the Bruce Wayne death only to find out he’s still alive…
The Dark Knight, Batman Begin then Dark Knight Rises – in that order.
July 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am
First I would like to note that I am a Batman fan and I have seen the movie over this past weekend, here in South Korea. Theatre was ram packed.
I respectfully disagree. I did feel there was plenty of human interest in the story. The scene between Caine and Bale was incredibly emotional. There is even the tale between, whoops, I better not say. It appears many of the responses have not seen the movie yet! Yes folks, there are twist and turns that are all revealed in the last 30 minutes or so.
I would agree there are some inaccurate points. The most obvious, again I won’t touch on the ending and how this can potentially lead to something else entirely, the Bane mask and his origin were not correct. However the character, his ferociousness and relentlessness are portrayed to the nature of the comic book character. He is about pure destruction. Catwoman, on the hand was even bit the character, oh sorry she didn’t have her whip. Darn it! I’m sure you must of found that incredibly disappointing.
I guess that’s what a critic is, someones opinion. In my opinion the ending of this trilogy was ever bit what I expected. You note “Begins” and the point made in that movie stays true. Batman is an ideal, a legend. This is what makes him great. Not to get political, but there are many cases where “Batman” has been true life stories. People who have sacrificed there lives to save others. That is Batman, despite his lack of fictional super powers. You or I could be Batman and that’s what this movie projects. You missed the point completely or maybe you thought you were watching ICE AGE 4 or Madagascar.
In closing, if this movie dosen’t WIN AN OSCAR, I’m afraid no comic book movie will ever win it.
July 22nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
shut the fuck up Pob . we aren’t Nolan’s fans but we ain’t some douche short-minded scumbags like you who can differentiate good review from bad, asshole.
July 22nd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Haha poor guy! It’s not easy to write a negative review of a so long-awaited movie!
Anyway, you’ve got the right not to like a movie and you shouldn’t be attacked on this way (especially by people who haven’t seen yet).
However, I have to say that it’is written with some arrogance in there, like you just wanted to sound different from the others and you wanted to bring people on your website…welldone you succeed.
Ps : Sorry for my approximative English
July 23rd, 2012 at 12:23 am
It is just so sad the events of Friday – all this chatter seems so trivial! Many lives have been needlessly harmed especially all the families friends of victims the citizens of Aurora and all of Colorado even the stars the director the producer all the cast the backers the movie industry it goes on and on shame on us all! Please do what you can do as a critic to keep movies more about what it is to be human to tell our story on earth!
July 23rd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Totally agree with this review. I’m a big comics fan and a huuuuuuuge fan of the Dark Knight (less so Batman Begins), but I thought this installment reached way to far and tried to weave too many stories together. Simplify and execute a good story first, please.
July 23rd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Ten years from now, The Dark Knight Rises will be widely regarded as an all-time classic. Trolls who had the oh-so-original idea of “Oh look at me, I’m gonna make a negative review just to go against the flow.” Oh look at you, you’re so sophisticated. Puhlease. In ten years, nobody is going to give a shit about you.
A trademark of a troll review is just say, this is wrong, that doesn’t work for me. It’s a bit like “the sun sucks coz I say so”. A good review should include references to movies that succeed in doing what this movie cannot, with a well thought out explanation. “This movies just doesn’t work for me” is material for a forum post, not a professional review.
Anyone who has actually paid attention to the first two movies would appreciate how the final installment completes Bruce Wayne’s movie journey into becoming “more than just a man, a legend”. Anyone who is a long time fan of the comic books knows how well the trilogy has preserved the essence of Batman, a paragon of justice. Anyone who wasn’t completely absorbed into the movie in its entirety has decided before seeing the movie to close his/her mind completely.
This reviewer is just the douchebag of the week, the next douche will overshadow her soon enough. The Dark Knight rises will last for all eternity.
July 24th, 2012 at 1:21 am
It is very sad and heart breaking what happened in Colorado. My wife posted on FB, she wished Batman was there to save them. I remarked, there was. There were many “Batmen” in the theatre that day. Watch the news and you will see many sacraficed themselves to save others. That is the nature of this fictional character who lives within so many of us and that’s what Nolan and his trilogy bring to life.
July 24th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
next time you write review consider that all batman fans already know and have read knightfall, You are an Idiot…..wait, i am praising you,,, you are a moron.
the movie may not be as epic as the second one, it still holds the grand scale feeling and wealth of what batman is.
the only issue any batman fan would face after watching is that it never had ended or wish we saw more of the conclusion.
please resign, change your job, you are anything but a critic, movie clown.
July 26th, 2012 at 2:45 am
Holy crap, these comments…
I thought it was a good review. While I did thoroughly enjoy the movie, I also think it’s the weakest of the trilogy. It’ll hold the same sort of position that Return of the Jedi holds next to the Empire Strikes Back: a great wrap-up to the trilogy, but not the classic that its predecessor was. Everything this critic said he didn’t like, I can either see where he’s coming from, or…well, they just didn’t bother me that much (yeah, the giant fist fight was silly. It was also fun to watch).
TL;DR-good movie, not a classic imo. Stop with the hate towards the critic, it’s his opinion on a completely subjective work.
July 26th, 2012 at 4:51 am
All the haters above clearly haven’t read Knightfall, or don’t recognize blasphemy when Nolan spoon-feeds it to them. The reworking of Bane was atrocious and sacrilegious. Bane is nobody’s pawn and venom certainly isn’t a painkiller.
Furthermore, let’s face it: None of the Nolan trilogy was well coreographed. All of it was slow and awkward, much like Power Rangers. Beyond that, the action sequences in TDKR were generally irrelevant and needlessly tedious, in addition to poorly conceptualized. They feel reminiscent of Michael Bay, except with less explosion. Unlike TDK, they serve less overall purpose and don’t particularly move the plot forward. On the topic of the plot, it was full of holes, spent too long meandering, ended up thinly spread, and served no real purpose than to facilitate a huge street battle between GCPD and Bane’s army. Shame.
While I may not agree with the critic on all of his reviews, I am in agreement on this one. Everyone who wants to flame because he talked bad about their favorite film need to increase their education in film. TDKR deserves an Oscar about as much as Avatar did.
This internet deserves a better class of batman fan.
July 26th, 2012 at 5:16 am
Spot on review. People owe you an apology.
July 26th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
excellent review. i hope you are not yet assassinated by angry batman fans. thank you for being on-point and critical with nolan’s latest effort. i didn’t think it was a very good film either.
July 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
I agree with your whole review. Really well written and the lack of constructive criticism in the comments feed proves how spot on it is, thank you for posting this!
July 28th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Excellent review!
You just pointed out about everything I really despite the movie for. The “batman begins” surprised me in the level of complexity Nolan brought to the story and the character (compared the the previous Batman-films). But this was really like moving back 20 years. The level complexity was really like watching some stupid cop movie from the 80’s. And It was, without exaggerating, really one of the worst moved I seen.
Just having seen it here in Stockholm, Sweden I just can’t believe what I read in the serious newspapers – the reviewers all give the film 5 out of 5… WTF…?!?!
” I’m saying that its potential is such that it ultimately disappoints, thanks to Nolan’s decision to go big, bigger, biggest.” – Yes exactly that!
July 28th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
its rly funny to see how much damage controlling critics are doing on rotten tomatoes for this film and the seething fan boy reactions to honest and thoughtful reviews like this one
July 29th, 2012 at 4:58 am
Sir, I just went to see a movie that I’ve waited almost 4 years to see and I was left devastated with the disappointment. I read your fine review and I have nothing more to say that I agree completely with what you say.
July 29th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
I couldn’t agree more with everything you have said in this review!
The big fistfight scene on the streets of Gotham was completely ridiculous considering in the shots a few seconds before all of Bane’s henchmen were seen to be carrying large guns! I pointed this out to my partner during the film and he noticed it too!
July 31st, 2012 at 5:43 am
My review wouldn’t have been so kind. The plot was so full of holes they had to keep stopping the action to explain it, which did not help. Other times, action stopped for more speechifying for no reason except, obviously, so something else would happen at exactly the right time. I was checking my watch at the 2 hour mark thinking, crap, another hour to go of this mess. Note to any dudes still trapped in the underground prison: try taking the bars off your cages, building a ladder and walking out. So much easier than rope climbing and ledge jumping.
July 31st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
There are parts of this review that are spot on, but other parts that make you wonder if he watched the movie. My personal thoughts: great movie/bad batman story. Its as if the story changed to make an ending to this series because of Heath’s unfortunate death. I thought the first two movies were fantastic only for this one too kill the story. For example, I figured they would have not let Batman leave the crime fighting scene against evil doers turning him into a cripple, not to say he wouldnt have injuries to recover from considering his previous bouts with the Joker & his big fall from his exchange with Two Face, but would have rather had both worlds of good and evil against him as he fought his way back as a hero of Gotham to its people & officials; which he did, but not before an eight year pityful disappearance. This is the biggest disappointment which set the rest of the film up for failure,at least storywise including a lack of presence of Lucious Fox’s & Batman’s predominate roles in the movie. I simply feel they could have done a better job with the incredible story they left us with from the first two movies in the series.
July 31st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
This was a great review. Thanks for being able to think, which seems to be a rare quality judging from the comments below.
July 31st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I agree with this interview completely, save the comments about the 2nd installment. I look at the outcries much like Star Wars: Phantom Menace. At the time, any critic panning the movie was in idiot…they are now the sages who had the wisdom to keep themselves emotionally separated from the hype and look at the movie for what it is. A failure that didn’t live up to the hype made by a director that should have been more open to alternative opinions and not revered as a god…al la, M. Knight Shammy. The Dark Knight: Rises is not a terrible movie, it was a pretty good movie…it was also, the weakest of the 3. I am confident in time that this review will ultimately be shown to be true, as evidenced by poor DVD sales and more and more fans willing to see this movie for what it could have been after the hype dies down.
Nolan told a solid story, it just wasn’t the one I wanted to pay $14 for at the IMAX. No excitement…no moments of “oooo Batman is here you gonnaaaa get it!!!” He needed too much help, he wasn’t a bad ass anymore. There were no moments of celebration, no parts where our hero made any progress towards winning…he just kept getting his arse kicked more and more. The movie ran too long to be in touch with the heartfelt moments.
It made sense, like the Matrix part 3 made sense. A solid conclusion, just not the one I will want to watch over and over. No cool fight scenes, no round house kicks, none of that awesome violent martial arts Bale was trained in. Just a bunch of swinging fists. Snooze…”Hey guys! you wanna go see that movie again with the crappy fight scenes where the good guys keeps losing? No? Gee why not?”
Again it all made sense as Batman is old now and can’t do jump kicks anymore…but who wants to see a movie about a has been old man shell of a superhero? I didn’t. I wanted to see batman “engage a hundred” as he was taught in “Begins”.
He turned out to be the symbol he always tried to be…horary you did it…now give me my money back.
Five years from now this movie will be forgettable.
August 6th, 2012 at 12:53 am
You, sir, are a patriot and a hero. I salute you.
August 7th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Thank you thank you thank you for this review, finally some good sense ! It got me hooked up until somewhere in the middle of the movie where it turned to a self congratulating epic movie with a completely screwed story to sustain the action. The storytelling even got out of control and nothing made sense at the end!
When I got out of the movies, I twitterd that I came to see Batman the dark kinght rises, it turned out to be independence day II…. the transformers is very good comparison too 😉 !
Kudos for being one of the few with a clear head !
August 10th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Haven’t actually read what you wrote, but the film was so such a long drawn out pile of drivel.
August 10th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Well, I agree completly with this review.
August 14th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
We are actual movie makers and found this to be one of the best directed films of all time. Many will agree with us.
You might have had much too high of expectations.
August 14th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
This is the kind of mindset that kills movies. You, like so many pre-teens before you, believe that the world is there to give you everything you want and you do not have to bring anything to the table. It just simply isn’t true. Movies are not a one way street. You must bring something to the table as the viewer. It is almost like you are entering into an agreement with the movie itself, where it will bring entertainment from a world that does not exist, and you suspend reality and allow yourself to be ushered into the world of suspense. Why are there people like you out there? Because you have no imagination. You have no freedom within the movie to experience the good and the bad together. You simply expect to get everything you want and don’t have to give anything back, like hitting it and quitting it.
It’s a shame that there are people writing reviews of movies who do not understand that the movie isn’t about what they want. Why did you hate the movie so much? Because you were looking for reasons to hate it. The weak-link in this equation is not the movie, but you and your lack of adventure.
August 17th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
This is late but your review totally summed up how I felt about this movie. In a nutshell. Thank you.
August 22nd, 2012 at 1:33 am
Unfortunately people can be so unnessesarily territorial + hateful.
Shame on you abusive people, sort yourselves out.
September 7th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
I completely agree with this review. From a shallow plot, to poor writing, Overly cheesy lines, predictable plot twists, very OTT acting, Unnecessary “Gadgets” and Overly Loud Score. This movie had such potential. Yes the cynics would always say “The Dark Knight” was amazing, but its true that it was mainly down to Heath Ledgers performance, “Batman Begins” far outranks both its sequels in terms of quality, story, casting, writing and acting. Well written review! Let down twice this year by amazing spiderman and DKR.
September 24th, 2012 at 7:41 am
I love this man. He had the guts to post a negative review of one of the biggest bluffs of 2012. And, by the numerous tirades of fanboys and fangirls, it seems that Nolan’s bluff worked once again (re: Inception, TDK). Batman Begins was solid, straightforward and and just plain good. Both its sequels are horrendous, overwrought bombastic spectacles that are so unhinged I barely stayed awake during my viewings.
Oh, and invalidating his review based on the fact that he panned The Dark Knight doesn’t hold up at all.
October 31st, 2012 at 10:30 am
I do agree with the poster. The negative review does point out some of the points that I was a little disgruntled with. I can’t understand how he has his back broken, and has no cartilage in his legs but with a metal device can walk?
But wait… When he gets chucked into the prison… Surely they would have removed his metal device? And also how did he manage to do a pullup with a broken back?
Honestly! Good on you for the negative review, at the end of the day I have the same view points.
Regards,
Marc
December 1st, 2012 at 6:35 am
Nolanoids may rage, but The Dark Knight Rises was a steaming pile of shit.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The review makes some salient points. All the personal insults toward the reviewer do not constitute a refutation. The action in the film was good, and that by itself is worth buying a ticket, but lots of things in the plot don’t add up. And that is not anywhere close to how fusion works.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:40 am
Funny how this guy turned out to be 100% right.
Now that the hype has died down, people are realizing that this movie is ridden with plot holes and is a bloated mess. I was cringing through most of it. Some people are too distracted by special effects to bother with caring about actual filmmaking, I guess. 😉
January 1st, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Tony Sutton is right. Marshall Fine was correct from the start. This is by far the worst of the trilogy, and it honestly just wasn’t a great movie on its own merits. It was average. A 7/10 would be too generous.
The internet sure does bring out the sociopaths.
January 12th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Death! By exile!
February 4th, 2013 at 11:26 am
+1 Tony,
It did deviate a little to much from the point of a good story line. In fact, as I previously mentioned I was generally put off by some of the unrealistic aspects of the film.
– Just my insight,
KA
July 23rd, 2013 at 5:06 am
I consider myself a movie critic. I have read some of your reviews. You are just a jaded asshole who doesn’t like any good movies that show any potential with acting. You have grown ups a shit review, I can understand. If Chris Farley were alive the movie would have been great, but the way you say he died makes you a jerk. I don’t like your reviews because you focus on the negative. I don’t hate many people, however you are on one of my top disliked people list. You talk about this movie like it is a desperation to be good, however this is a very nice close out to any amazing trilogy. I can’t fathom how you could be so jaded.
June 3rd, 2014 at 10:05 pm
I think History has proven this critic right. Dark Knight Rises really was a poor and disappointing entry in the Batman franchise. The people who threatened this guy or more over spammed him should be ashamed.
November 18th, 2014 at 2:46 pm
The Dark Knight Rises was so bad that I stopped watching movies in 2012. About two and a half hours into the movie, I simply realized that even though it is so close to the end, I just could not take it anymore. I walked out of the theater with a headache. I took a breath of fresh air as I took a walk down the park, and I realized that I just didn’t want to watch movies anymore. The Dark Knight Rises single handedly caused me to joke so much about how terrible it was, that I found my own jokes more entertaining than the movie. I was going to see Interstellar. But now, I don’t plan to. It is nearly 2015, and I honestly don’t think I will see another movie again. It was so bad in so many ways. The dialogue, the acting, the loud music, the plot holes, the sheer length of boredom for over 3 hours in a dark room with flickering light. The Dark Knight Rises is not only the worst Batman movie ever made, it is without a doubt, the worst film ever made in the history of Hollywood, and the worst story ever made int he history of books. Everything about The Dark Knight Rises was so fantastically bad and awful and boring. I didn’t laugh, I didn’t cry, I didn’t relate. It did not make me think… I did not feel anything. I was literally sitting in a dark room, feeling absolutely nothing. Christopher Nolan single handedly ruined my experience of going to the cinema, and now, I will never go to a cinema again. After walking out of the cinema, I took a long walk among the trees in the secluded park on a sunset afternoon. After getting some fresh air in a nice autumn walk in the park, I started to reflect on my real life, and realized that I need to live more of it outside of this movie world. I am done with it, and I am happy now. My mind is clear. I feel like I was a drug addict or something for a long time, and now I am free. I never have to sit through a movie, hoping for a moment of laughter, or tears, or any emotion in general. I can live those emotions in real life. I can now focus on more important things in my life. More meaningful goals. More time spent doing things that are more important to me and more helpful toward society. In a way, I have to thank Christopher Nolan for changing my life. His movie was so terrible that I am no longer going to the cinema anymore. And I feel grand.
April 8th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Glad to see that time proved you right Mr. Fine. Rare were once the critics that dared to call our Dark Knight Rises for the bloated, boring exercise in tedium that it was. Now that the rest of the public seems to have stopped drinking the Chris Nolan Kool-Aid, time proved you wise.